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tra il sé e l'altro da sé

English translation: between oneself and "the other"

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Italian term or phrase:tra il sé e l'altro da sé
English translation:between oneself and "the other"
Entered by: Russell Jones

08:20 Feb 24, 2003
Italian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary
Italian term or phrase: tra il sé e l'altro da sé
"ma anche nella dimensione di un quasi inevitabile, spesso non ricercato confronto, con la dimensione di uno spazio e di un un tempo dilatati *oltre i confini della quotidianità, in un dialogo tra il sé e l'altro da sé che connota in chiave esistenzialista gran parte della ricerca artistica e culturale della città*"

Elegant suggestions for the asterisked part of the sentence gratefully received. Many thanks
S
Sarah Ferrara
Italy
Local time: 22:41
between oneself and one's alter ego
Explanation:
Word(s) of the Year:
"bililoquy" == conversation with one's alter ego.

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Second thoughts.
This is perhaps \"the other\" in the sense used by psychologists and cultural anthropologists.

\"Images of the Other\" re. Jung
http://www.cgjungpage.org/


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\"beyond the confines of everyday existence, in a dialogue between oneself and \"the other\" that , in existentialist terms, characterizes a large part of the city\'s artistic and cultural research\".

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\"much of the city\'s artistic and cultural research\".

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Two further thoughts (even if Luskie has taken this a stage further):
1. the dialogue / interaction between what is the self / oneself and what is not...
2. \"ricerca\": are we talking experts or perhaps visitors, in which case: much of the artistic and cultural exploration in / of the city.
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Russell Jones
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:41
Grading comment
thank you!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2between oneself and one's alter ego
Russell Jones
5 +1between oneself and beyond oneself
Giusi Pasi
4beyond the borders of the everyday in a dialogue between himself and other from him self
AlbanMullaj (X)
4self and non-self
luskie


  

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beyond the borders of the everyday in a dialogue between himself and other from him self


Explanation:
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himself,

AlbanMullaj (X)
Local time: 16:41
Native speaker of: Albanian
PRO pts in pair: 20
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
between oneself and one's alter ego


Explanation:
Word(s) of the Year:
"bililoquy" == conversation with one's alter ego.

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Note added at 2003-02-24 11:07:44 (GMT)
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Second thoughts.
This is perhaps \"the other\" in the sense used by psychologists and cultural anthropologists.

\"Images of the Other\" re. Jung
http://www.cgjungpage.org/


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Note added at 2003-02-24 11:18:11 (GMT)
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\"beyond the confines of everyday existence, in a dialogue between oneself and \"the other\" that , in existentialist terms, characterizes a large part of the city\'s artistic and cultural research\".

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Note added at 2003-02-24 11:25:07 (GMT)
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\"much of the city\'s artistic and cultural research\".

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Note added at 2003-02-24 14:43:38 (GMT)
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Two further thoughts (even if Luskie has taken this a stage further):
1. the dialogue / interaction between what is the self / oneself and what is not...
2. \"ricerca\": are we talking experts or perhaps visitors, in which case: much of the artistic and cultural exploration in / of the city.


    Reference: http://www.freelanceonline.com/messages1/4608.html
Russell Jones
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:41
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 2792
Grading comment
thank you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Giusi Pasi: agree with the remaining translation
1 hr
  -> grazie Giusi
agree  luskie: between Self and Other is even better :)
3 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
between oneself and beyond oneself


Explanation:
Beyond oneself= the other one ouside oneself (philosophiacl term).
See: http://discover-your-mind.co.uk/4b -%www.cssd11.k12.co.us/sp...



Giusi Pasi
Italy
Local time: 22:41
Native speaker of: Italian
PRO pts in pair: 452

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Russell Jones: between oneself and that (or "what is") beyond oneself
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
self and non-self


Explanation:
it's as simple as that :)

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Maurice Merleau-Ponty [Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy] - [ Traduci questa pagina ]
... and conflictual relations with others, for which existentialism became both ... within
the subject, and he explicitly suggests that self and non-self are but the ...
www.utm.edu/research/iep/m/merleau.htm - 97k - 22 Feb 2003 - Copia cache - Pagine simili

Spring 2001 Course Catalogue - [ Traduci questa pagina ]
... PHIL 219 Introduction to Existentialism. ... We will study: How the question of existential
freedom emerges in one’s consciousness of self and non-self,; ...
www.sla.purdue.edu/academic/idis/jewish-studies/ web/courses/2001courses.htm - 15k - Copia cache - Pagine simili

Contents - [ Traduci questa pagina ]
... Chapter 12: a: Existentialism. ... In mental existence there is the beginning of
discursive thought due to consciousness moving between self and non-self. ...
lathief1.tripod.com/reflections.htm - 101k - 22 Feb 2003 - Copia cache - Pagine simili

Untitled Document - [ Traduci questa pagina ]
... provides the basis for the kind of idealism exemplified by Sartrean existentialism. ... is
the field wherein all opposites converge; self and non-self, being and ...
www.keele.ac.uk/depts/stt/cstt2/comp/chia.htm - 61k - Copia cache - Pagine simili


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altri, più timidi, suggerimenti:

-boudaries of everyday routine
-a dialogue (...) which puts most of the (...) research into an existentialist frame OPPURE lends/confers an existentialistic flavour/nuance/something to...

hth

luskie
Local time: 22:41
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in pair: 1355
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