An Interview - food for thought, or not?
Thread poster: Evert DELOOF-SYS
A dear friend of mine from the USA -who quite often sends me hilarious stuff (\'a joke a day keeps the doctor away\')- just sent me the following:
This certainly made me stop and think what I send out.
An Interview with Anne Graham (Daughter of Billy Graham)
In light of the many perversions and jokes we send along to one another for a laugh, this is a little different:
This joke today is not intended to be a joke, it\'s not intended to be funny, it\'s intended to get you thinking.
Billy Graham\'s daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her \"How could God let something like this happen?\" ( regarding the attacks on Sept. 11 ). Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response.
\"I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we\'ve been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?\" In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings,etc.
I think it started when Madeleine Murray O\'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn\'t want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.
Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school or work ... the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn\'t spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock\'s son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he\'s talking about. And we said OK.
Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don\'t want any bad publicity, and we surely don\'t want to be sued (there\'s a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we said OK.
Then someone said, let\'s let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won\'t even have to tell their parents. And we said OK. Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they\'re going to do it anyway, let\'s give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won\'t have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said OK.
Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn\'t matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn\'t matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good. Then someone said let\'s print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK.
And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they\'re entitled to free speech. Then the entertainment industry said, let\'s make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let\'s record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it\'s just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.
Now we\'re asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don\'t know right from wrong, and why it doesn\'t bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with \"WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.\"
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world\'s going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send \'jokes\' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school workplace and sometimes the home.
Are you laughing? Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you\'re not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did.
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| | Marijke Singer
Local time: 10:25
Dutch to English
| Food for thought - food to instigate secular hate more like || Jun 3, 2002 |
Well I, for one, am offended by such articles.
I believe this article is very dangerous because it is telling us that unless we turn to god we will continue with a society as it is now. HOGWASH. People have always committed abortions (should we view this as a crime), have always killed other people, have always taken drugs, etc. Just look at the Greeks and Romans. They had gods galore and it made no difference. The Bible may contain such sentences as thou shall not kill but its treatment of women is horrendous. They are either mothers or whores. Where does that leave me, I wonder.
I suggest reading Ken\'s Guide to the Bible (ISBN 0-922233-17-9) after which you will realize that all these despicable things actually occur because the Bible endorses them and our Western society is based on this book.
Personally, I do not pass on messages containing material of a sexual nature nor do I pass on iffy jokes. I also tell people off when they send me things I think are offensive. Oh, and by the way, I do not go around killing people either.
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| You're right and she's wrong || Jun 3, 2002 |
Food for thought, ok, but her basic assumption is wrong, short-sighted, demagogical and misleading: terrorist attacks and wars also took place in highly religious times (remember the crusades, the inquisition...) and were and are often stimulated by religion. The September 11 attacks (and many others), weren\'t they committed in the name of God...? She has a point, but she is abusing certain facts to serve her own purpose.
| | Evert DELOOF-SYS
Local time: 11:25
English to Dutch
| Glad you (someone) noticed as well :) || Jun 3, 2002 |
Spot on, Joeri - I felt/feel awkward myself when I read this.
I\'d like to add a few things - don\'t have much time now, so I\'ll be brief:
She dictates there is a God and she blames us for having abandoned him.
He has, therefore, decided to back out and as a result we get all these horrors.
Reminds me of the old(er) days when I was told not to do this or that, because God would punish me for this.
Something à la The Revenge of the Ninja.
Secondly, it\'s not because someone kills my worst enemy in my name (9/11...), that I asked him to do so...
If I were God, I\'d send a well founded \'disagree\' to Mrs. Graham and would ban her from my site/side .
Thirdly, in stating that all these things happen because we abandoned God, she tends to become a fundamentalist as well, because that\'s exactly what some better known extremists are saying now, be it they name Him differently once in a while.
What\'s the Western version of the burqa (or abaya) again? Let\'s buy her one...
Yet, I must admit that the overall
permissiveness in our society may have something to do with its deepening human, spiritual and moral impoverishment.
Or are these just words?
Maybe, I can\'t imagine we were such noble souls umpty years ago.
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| We're not as bad as we used to be! || Jun 3, 2002 |
If you go to http://www.psychohistory.com and look up the last two chapters of \'The Emotional Life of Nations\' by Lloyd deMause, you\'ll find that we\'re not nearly as bad as we used to be, although there\'s plenty of room for improvement yet.
(Warning: not for the squeamish)
| Personally... || Jun 3, 2002 |
... I am an atheist, and whenever I read something like Ms. Graham\'s opinion, I feel stronger in my resolve to remain so.
I don\'t see any moral difference between Ms. Graham and the people who blew up the towers. All of them believe they have God\'s own personal cell phone number and are, in fact, Satan\'s most loyal employees.
| | GoodWords
Local time: 04:25
Spanish to English
| That is a wonderful article || Jun 4, 2002 |
I emailed that article to my friends when it first came out, after 9/11.