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Your opinion on having a google.pages website
Thread poster: M. Isabel Ledesma

M. Isabel Ledesma  Identity Verified
Argentina
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Aug 18, 2007

Hi to everyone!
I'd love to know your opinion and advice on the pros and cons of creating my website using google.pages.

Would I be projecting a kind of poor professional image?

I'm trying to improve my "market image" and, besides, I have what I consider to be a quite artistic mind. So, I guess I can manage to design quite an attractive site. Using google.pages to host it would appear counterproductive?
What about hackers and spam related to it?

Thanks in advance for your helpful comments!

María Isabel


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Safiye TINGIR  Identity Verified
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Google pages or professional web page Aug 19, 2007

I would like to tell you, if you were an outsources what would you prefer? two linguists have applied you and you have to choose one ? Which one you would like to choose the more professional one or the other one? Please think twice. The more professional,the better one

Best Regards,
Safiye TINGIR
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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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What is Google.pages? Aug 19, 2007

M. Isabel Ledesma wrote:
I'd love to know your opinion and advice on the pros and cons of creating my website using google.pages.


I have no time to investigate all the ins and outs of Google.pages. Tell us about it, please?

What aspects of it do you think may project an unprofessional image, or what aspects of it do you think are of use to translators?


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Mikael Adolfsson  Identity Verified
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It´s very important to look professional Aug 19, 2007

Hi Isabelle!
Having worked with creating webpages I know how important a professional look is. But the most important thing, in my opinion (besides a professional layout) is that you have your own domain and that you use that for your emailadresses as well. Using a hotmail-adress or a "free" webadress (as maybe your internet service provider can give you) always gives a little bit of an unseriuos look.
But this is just my opinion, maybe someone else have another view!


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M. Isabel Ledesma  Identity Verified
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description of google.pages Aug 19, 2007

Thanks, Samuel... I forgot to add a short description.
I just found out about this tool not so long ago.

I'll just paste their official description, plus my comments:

* Google Page Creator [being tested!!!!!] is a free tool that lets you create web pages right in your browser and publish them to the web with one click. There's no software to download and no web designer to hire. [you just need to have a Gmail account] The pages you create are hosted on Google servers and are available at http://yoursitename.googlepages.com for the world to see.

[So, you get the issue of their name being included on your website domain, if I get it right...]

* The pages you create can be crawled by Google within a few hours of publication. Other search engines may also index your pages as they periodically crawl the internet. (...) Web pages created using Google Page Creator will never receive any preferential treatment of any kind in Google search results.

* (from other sources) 100 Mb of free hosting, WYSIWYG editor [really useful for a beginner like me!]


I hope this info can help! and thanks for your time. (BTW, I followed your advice on another forum and downloaded Nvu to start designing my website... problem is hosting!

Isa

*


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M. Isabel Ledesma  Identity Verified
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what strikes as less professional: a free host website or no website at all? Aug 19, 2007

Mikael Adolfsson wrote:

But the most important thing, in my opinion (besides a professional layout) is that you have your own domain and that you use that for your email addresses as well.


Thanks for your advice, Mikael! I'm planning to spend on a proper personal domain (btw: could you "enlighten" me a little bit: one of the two things to do is paying to register your domain; the other, paying for a web hosting service?)

But what would you suggest: wait until I can afford to have my own domain and website, or start now by creating one using this kind of free services (like google.pages) for the time being?

Summing up: what is less professional: having a free hosting website or not having one at all? I guess that's the true point of my post!!

Again, thanks a lot

Isa, from Patagonia


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Alan R King
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Being "good" consumers Aug 19, 2007

A question to everyone in this discussion: everything that's been said is fine, but am I the only one here who feels that this is just one more case of getting sucked into a consumer culture where we are being encouraged/pressured to attach more importance to superficial issues (what kind of email address do you have? kind of like: what brand of sneakers do you wear?) than to issues of content and substance (do you provide a good professional service? do you have a happy and fulfilling life?)?

All, of course, orchestrated to make sure we spend more, and think we "need" things that are not really necessary.

Actually, the reason why I'm following this thread at all is that I am also thinking about posting a website and am wondering if I need to get my own domain, and how much to spend on acquiring one. But my reasons for doing so would all have to do with the services it can provide me. NOT on how my address will look...

Isn't this just another capitalist trick?

Alan


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alz  Identity Verified
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what if ...? Aug 19, 2007

I would put it otherwise:

Whom would you trust more: a client - agency with a fancy webpage who is paying peannuts (€0.025/word e.g.), or an agency with an ordinary webpage but who is paying decent rates?

I do not have any webpage but this on ProZ.com.
As primary e-mail address I use Hotmail because of permanent and updated antivirus and antiscam services.

I have never got impression to be considered less serious or less competent professional because of not having my own domain.


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amurati
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I od disagree on the antispam updates Aug 19, 2007

from The Hotmail.

Yahoo provides better tools to filter the spams.

I have an acount in Hotmail since 1998 but I am not using it quite often I moved to yahoo since 1999.


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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Translators already using it Aug 19, 2007

M. Isabel Ledesma wrote:
I'd love to know your opinion and advice on the pros and cons of creating my website using google.pages.


Translators are already using it, and the web sites on it don't look like your typical Geocities sites.

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:.googlepages.com%20translator

And, using searches like this:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.proz.com/profile/%20geocities
... we get the following statistics (this only shows if the term appears in the text of the page):

At least 130 ProZians use Geocities
8 use Angelfire
36 use Tripod
31 use Googlepages

At least 1 970 ProZians use Yahoo for e-mail
216 use Hotmail
178 use Gmail
10 use Lycos

Take a look at the web pages of translators who use Geocities.com or Googlepages.com, and tell me if you think your impression of them would have been different if they had had their own domain names.


[Edited at 2007-08-19 15:53]


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M. Isabel Ledesma  Identity Verified
Argentina
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not a matter of consumerism, I guess Aug 19, 2007

Alan R King wrote:

A question to everyone in this discussion: everything that's been said is fine, but am I the only one here who feels that this is just one more case of getting sucked into a consumer culture where we are being encouraged/pressured to attach more importance to superficial issues (what kind of email address do you have? kind of like: what brand of sneakers do you wear?) than to issues of content and substance (do you provide a good professional service? Alan


Alan, I consider issues of content and substance are, of course, to be of paramount importance! However, that's not to be discussed here, you won't be assessing my performance and qualifications as a translator. This forum is about helping each other in the "business" side of our profession (where, in my case, are my weaknesses, points to improve.)

Alan R King wrote: Actually, the reason why I'm following this thread at all is that I am also thinking about posting a website and am wondering if I need to get my own domain, and how much to spend on acquiring one. But my reasons for doing so would all have to do with the services it can provide me. NOT on how my address will look... Alan


Then, we are in exactly the same situation: considering posting a website and in need of info and advice of technical issues like domains and hosting. I guess that if you don't care about having a free hosting, services like google.pages will work for you.

I hope you profit from our fellow Prozians' comments. I've learned a lot from them in the past!

Isa





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M. Isabel Ledesma  Identity Verified
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good point! Aug 19, 2007

alz wrote:

I would put it otherwise:

Whom would you trust more: a client - agency with a fancy webpage who is paying peannuts (€0.025/word e.g.), or an agency with an ordinary webpage but who is paying decent rates?


No need to elaborate on that: the decent-rate payer! I totally agree: there are fancy tricks out there to desguise exploitative agencies.

alz wrote: I do not have any webpage but this on ProZ.com. (...)
I have never got impression to be considered less serious or less competent professional because of not having my own domain.


My other primary goal for having a website was to be able to get direct clients, who are not so familiar with Proz or other directories. I don't expect, though, to get many unless I devote extra time to improve my site's position in search engines and so on.

Thanks for your views!


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M. Isabel Ledesma  Identity Verified
Argentina
Local time: 20:50
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another excelent point Aug 19, 2007

Samuel Murray wrote:

Translators are already using it, and the web sites on it don't look like your typical Geocities sites.

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:.googlepages.com%20translator

And, using searches like this:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.proz.com/profile/%20geocities
... we get the following statistics (this only shows if the term appears in the text of the page):

At least 130 ProZians use Geocities
8 use Angelfire
36 use Tripod
31 use Googlepages

(...)
Take a look at the web pages of translators who use Geocities.com or Googlepages.com, and tell me if you think your impression of them would have been different if they had had their own domain names.


[Edited at 2007-08-19 15:53]


Yes! you're right! You make a really strong point with those statistics. I hadn't checked how many were actually using it.

I guess it'd be useful getting some info from those already offering their services through google.pages: Are they being contacted through the website?

Samuel, thanks a lot for devoting your time to helping others out.

Isa


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Sven Petersson  Identity Verified
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WRONG QUESTION Aug 19, 2007

It does not matter what something looks like if nobody sees it!

The right question is: Will my page/site appear among the top 10 on Google if a search is done with keywords representing what I want to sell?

Try 'medical translator swedish', or the more extreme 'medical translator swedish afrikaans'!

Did you find me?


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M. Isabel Ledesma  Identity Verified
Argentina
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I couldn't agree more Aug 19, 2007

Sven Petersson wrote:

It does not matter what something looks like if nobody sees it!

The right question is: Will my page/site appear among the top 10 on Google if a search is done with keywords representing what I want to sell?

Try 'medical translator swedish', or the more extreme 'medical translator swedish afrikaans'!

Did you find me?





Hi, Sven.
Wowww! You are top! Believe me: I'm totally aware of that. There is a recent post called "Do you generate any business through your website?" http://www.proz.com/post/646240#646240
that dealt with that. Could you share with us how did you manage to get there? Just devoting your time or someone else did it for you?

Just to SUM UP so far, for those in a kind of similar situation to mine, all these points should be considered when planning to have a personal website to offer your services (of course, more suggestions accepted!):

* to pay or not to pay? > using free services like google.pages or, if you can afford it (it seems they are not expensive at all), more reliable and professional, paying for your own domain and a webhosting package/service.

* to hire someone to design your website or do it yourself with any of the several programmes available? (Nvu, suggested by Samuel in another post, for example)

* extremely important: get advice from a specialist on how to rank higher on serach engines, meta-tags, etc. THIS IS CRUCIAL!!!!! However, the other side to this is that you may just want to have a website as an extension of your business card, for those who already contacted you by other means to get there.


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