| Pages in topic: [1 2 3] > | So this is it? If I refuse to use Trados, I cannot translate XML files? Thread poster: Dinny
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Dinny 
Greece
Local time: 13:46
Italian to Danish
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Hi there,
I am trying to solve a very specific problem here: I want to be part of a project to translate XML files.
I work with Wordfast Freelance. I have long ago tried Trados and discarted it as being a hopelessly, non-userfriendly CAT tool. Considering the price and the problems it creates, not to mention the enormous amount of time you need to invest in learning how to master it, there is no reason whatsoever for this product to try to dominate the market. They still try -... See more Hi there,
I am trying to solve a very specific problem here: I want to be part of a project to translate XML files.
I work with Wordfast Freelance. I have long ago tried Trados and discarted it as being a hopelessly, non-userfriendly CAT tool. Considering the price and the problems it creates, not to mention the enormous amount of time you need to invest in learning how to master it, there is no reason whatsoever for this product to try to dominate the market. They still try - but I am NOT considering it.
Question 1: Does any of you have experience with Wordfast Pro as to its capability of dealing with XML files?
Question 2: Does any of you have experience with any other CAT tool that can deal with XML files - and maybe even be compatible with TMs in various formats?
Question 3: Does any of you know whether CatsCradle is able to handle XML files?
I thank my membership of ProZ to be able to draw on such a huge number of experienced translators for advice!
Looking forward to your comments! TIA!
Dinny ▲ Collapse
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Hi Dinny,
Why not do the job with Wordfast Classic? As long as the files are prepared in the right way, I believe it's possible. I have not yet attempted xml files, but I'm pretty sure others are doing it with Wordfast Classic. (someone please confirm!!)
As for Wordfast Pro, it's not ready yet. I have done some "test" projects and there is still a lot to be improved in this new tool. I have decided not to use it for real jobs, for the moment, and I'm following developme... See more Hi Dinny,
Why not do the job with Wordfast Classic? As long as the files are prepared in the right way, I believe it's possible. I have not yet attempted xml files, but I'm pretty sure others are doing it with Wordfast Classic. (someone please confirm!!)
As for Wordfast Pro, it's not ready yet. I have done some "test" projects and there is still a lot to be improved in this new tool. I have decided not to use it for real jobs, for the moment, and I'm following developments on the various lists.
Sure - there are other CAT tools that can handle xml, but if you're already familiar with Wordfast Classic, my advice would be to stick with that. ▲ Collapse
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Hi Dinny,
MetaTexis can also handle XML files. You can download a trial version at www.metatexis.com.
Hermann
| | | | Dinny
Greece
Local time: 13:46
Italian to Danish
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TOPIC STARTER | Wordfast is my preference | Mar 11, 2009 |
Hi Lori,
Thanks for taking the time to reply!
I actually prefer to do the translation with Wordfast Classic and by means of PlusTools+ I can tag/translate/untag the file... BUT, I cannot save it in XML file format again. Meaning, I'm cut out of the project, sigh double-sigh!
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Dinny
Greece
Local time: 13:46
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TOPIC STARTER
Thanks, Hermann, I will definitely give it a look! Can it handle my TMs as well?
Dinny
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Dinny wrote: Hi Lori, Thanks for taking the time to reply! I actually prefer to do the translation with Wordfast Classic and by means of PlusTools+ I can tag/translate/untag the file... BUT, I cannot save it in XML file format again. Meaning, I'm cut out of the project, sigh double-sigh!
I'm no expert here, but isn't xml just plain text? You tag, translate, clean up and save, then save as .txt (with whatever encoding is required for the project) and rename the files .xml instead of .txt ??
| | | | Dinny
Greece
Local time: 13:46
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TOPIC STARTER | Wow, Lori, if it was simple as that! | Mar 11, 2009 |
I really like the way you say "you simply rename it".... could that be the solution of everything? There is no way to save the translated file as an XML file... so you just "rename" it?
Will go right away to see if that works!
l'll get back to you!
| | | | Dinny
Greece
Local time: 13:46
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TOPIC STARTER | Back quickly with bad news... | Mar 11, 2009 |
No, Lori, renaming the file does not by miracle turn it into an XML file. It might have "last name" .xml, but it is still listed as a "text document". Pity, it sounded like a fantastic idea!
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Hi Dinny,
Deja Vu X has a 30 day free trial and can handle xml files. You can download the program and they will send you an activation code.
Hth
Giusi
| | | | Dinny
Greece
Local time: 13:46
Italian to Danish
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TOPIC STARTER | Grazie, Giusi | Mar 11, 2009 |
Will give Deja Vu a look also. My spirit is uplifted by all these possibilities of NOT dealing with Trados!
Will let you know!
| | | | | it *is* a text document | Mar 11, 2009 |
Dinny wrote: No, Lori, renaming the file does not by miracle turn it into an XML file. It might have "last name" .xml, but it is still listed as a "text document". Pity, it sounded like a fantastic idea!
Well, it is a text document - did you try to open it up in a browser, or in a text editor to check if the structure looks the same as your source file?
http://www.functionx.com/xmlnet/Lesson02.htm (see the part about creating a file with a text editor)
http://www.your-translations.com/XML_translation_basics_1.php (this was written by a Wordfast user AFAIK)
| | | | Dinny
Greece
Local time: 13:46
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TOPIC STARTER | Thanks, Lori, will check these out as well! | Mar 11, 2009 |
Thanks for your patience! Who knows, we might eventually find the solution!
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DVX does work like a charm (you can even create your own XML filters), but if you're so used to working with Wordfast, why not use an intermediate tool to convert to another format, e.g. Okapi?
You can extract the translatable text from the XML as XLIFF, TMX, RTF, a tab delimited table, etc., translate it as usual (I'm sure WF can handle some of the... See more DVX does work like a charm (you can even create your own XML filters), but if you're so used to working with Wordfast, why not use an intermediate tool to convert to another format, e.g. Okapi?
You can extract the translatable text from the XML as XLIFF, TMX, RTF, a tab delimited table, etc., translate it as usual (I'm sure WF can handle some of these) and then reimport it to the XML file.
Mind you, it will take some time to tweak the process according to the XML format and whatever WF does to the file, but once you find the right export/import options you'll be working with these files seamlessly. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Checked the wordfast knowledge base? | Mar 11, 2009 |
Question 1: Does any of you have experience with Wordfast Pro as to its capability of dealing with XML files?
Have you checked the Wordfast documentation?
I am sure there is information about it in the Knowledge base:
http://www.wordfast.net/index.php?whichpage=knowledge&lang=engb
Daniel
| | | | Susan Welsh
United States
Local time: 06:46
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can use Microsoft Open XML files. (I don't know what they are, but the manual says so!)
(It's free)
www.omegat.org
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