| Pages in topic: [1 2] > | What's the best software for Batch Translation? Thread poster: flarp
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I'm growing a bit desperate here. Preferably a free alternative, too.
I've tried the OOffice translators but they fail and can't do more than 1000 words or so.
The Microsoft Office ones also seem to have a limit, both the WordLingo and the Microsoft Translation services, can't seem to deal with more than 2000 words at a time.
I'm looking for something to translate a spreadsheet or a text document of 30,000 words. Am I asking for too much?
| | | | Nikita Kobrin 
Lithuania
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English to Russian
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| It's something new | Jan 8, 2011 |
I know programs for batch files renaming. I know programs for batch files conversion. I know programs for batch image files resizing...
Software for batch translation? It's something new for both the world of batch operations and for the translation industry.
In my view:
1. such software doesn't make much sense
2. even if it exists it's not for a professional linguist
| | | | Samuel Murray
Netherlands
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English to Afrikaans
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jirimenzel wrote:
I've tried the OOffice translators but they fail and can't do more than 1000 words or so. ... The Microsoft Office ones also seem to have a limit, both the WordLingo and the Microsoft Translation services, can't seem to deal with more than 2000 words at a time.
I can't quite figure out what you mean by "batch translation". Can you give an example, or a URL?
| | | | Laurent KRAULAND (X)
France
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| 30,000 words MT'ed at once? | Jan 8, 2011 |
This is what I understood from the message of the OP.
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Oliver Walter
United Kingdom
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German to English
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| Agree with Nikita | Jan 8, 2011 |
I agree with Nikita. My immediate reaction was "Batch translation doesn't exist, or at least it is poor translation." There is one possible exception, which is where the source text is written in a controlled language, designed to be easy for machine translation. In such a situation, the writer (or the recipient of the source text) presumably already has the necessary MT facilities.
Oliver
| | | | flarp
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TOPIC STARTER | red nosed gooses | Jan 9, 2011 |
Just a word list, think microsoft excel and 30,000 rows of column A1.
Its my understanding stuff like trados sdl does this, but only if you feed ages of translating experience into it.
Just imagine a list of words, hundreds of thousands of words... and me wanting to do so without having to do them 500 or 1000 at a time...
What is my solution!?
Oh and as many languages as possible.
| | | | flarp
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TOPIC STARTER
oh and thanks for the feedback, but still need a solution.
Precision isn't necessary, I'm not looking for grammar. I am however looking for something that'll translate ALL!!! the words and not be lazy and do nothing and copy it when a word isnt in the database! Just as long as the word looks polish, I'm happy, if i'm translating to polish.
| | | | Nikita Kobrin
Lithuania
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jirimenzel wrote:
What is my solution!?
The solution is very simple: post a job ad at this site and translators will do the job.
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Emma Goldsmith
Spain
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Spanish to English
jirimenzel wrote:
Just as long as the word looks polish, I'm happy, if i'm translating to polish.
I don't understand. Are you saying that you don't mind if the translation is wrong ?
| | | | | I guess you have little knowledge of languages | Jan 9, 2011 |
jirimenzel wrote:
Precision isn't necessary, I'm not looking for grammar. I am however looking for something that'll translate ALL!!! the words and not be lazy and do nothing and copy it when a word isnt in the database! Just as long as the word looks polish, I'm happy, if i'm translating to polish.
If you did you might have heard of of polysemy, i.e. that a word (or rather term) can have, and often do, have more than one meaning. Or as Wikipedia puts it:
"Polysemy (pronounced /pəˈlɪsɨmi/ or /ˈpɒlɨsiːmi/)[1][2] (from the Greek: πολυ-, poly-, "many" and σήμα, sêma, "sign") is the capacity for a sign (e.g., a word, phrase, etc.) or signs to have multiple meanings (sememes), i.e., a large semantic field."
The English term "see" supposedly has 29 different meaning.
Try translating the English term "order" automatically without context. Is it an order you place to buy something or part of the concept "law and order" or about placing objects in a sequential order or...
All these different meanings might be translated as different terms in another language. If you only want a "polish" [sic] word in another language, whether correct or not, this might not bother you, but whoever reads the garbage created might have problems understanding what you're trying to say if "precision isn't necessary".
[Edited at 2011-01-09 12:36 GMT]
| | | | Samuel Murray
Netherlands
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English to Afrikaans
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jirimenzel wrote:
Just a word list, think microsoft excel and 30,000 rows of column A1.
Just imagine a list of words, hundreds of thousands of words... and me wanting to do so without having to do them 500 or 1000 at a time...
1. Do you want the program to translate each word individually (even if more than one word occurs in a single cell), or do you want the program to treat the whole cell as a single unit (i.e. if a cell contains two words, it should be treated as one unit, not as two units)?
2. In what format is the TM or dictionary or glossary from which the translations will be taken?
If you want each cell to be treated as a whole unit, then you need to convert your dictionary to a TM, and then use the CAT tool's autotranslation feature to translate the entire file. I'm sure it should be able to do the entire Excel file in one step. OmegaT could be used for this (other CAT tools too).
If you want every word to be translated individually, and if some cells contain multiple words, then you need to convert your dictionary to a glossary and use your CAT tool's automatic glossary insertion feature to translate the entire file. This may be slower than the other method. Wordfast Classic could be used for this (other CAT tools too).
| | | | Cetacea
Switzerland
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English to German
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| You're joking, right? | Jan 9, 2011 |
jirimenzel wrote:
I am however looking for something that'll translate ALL!!! the words and not be lazy and do nothing and copy it when a word isnt in the database! Just as long as the word looks polish, I'm happy, if i'm translating to polish.
You want some computer program to translate into languages you don't speak and don't care as long as the result looks right, never mind what it means? Believe me, your client (if there really is one) won't be "happy" at all...
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Jaroslaw Michalak
Poland
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English to Polish
SITE LOCALIZER | What is the point? | Jan 10, 2011 |
jirimenzel wrote:
Precision isn't necessary, I'm not looking for grammar. I am however looking for something that'll translate ALL!!! the words and not be lazy and do nothing and copy it when a word isnt in the database! Just as long as the word looks polish, I'm happy, if i'm translating to polish.
But what is the point if the "Polish" word is as meaningless to the reader (or even more) than the original word? In Polish (and, I suspect, in every other language there is) we really do care if it is one Polish word or another!
| | | | Samuel Murray
Netherlands
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English to Afrikaans
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| Whether it really matters | Jan 10, 2011 |
Cetacea wrote:
You want some computer program to translate into languages you don't speak and don't care as long as the result looks right, never mind what it means? Believe me, your client (if there really is one) won't be "happy" at all...
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Jabberwock wrote:
But what is the point if the "Polish" word is as meaningless to the reader (or even more) than the original word? In Polish (and, I suspect, in every other language there is) we really do care if it is one Polish word or another!
Well, if the job is really just a list of words, with no definitions, then it is likely that the list of words would be context-less anyway. This means that even a professional English-Polish translator would have to select one meaning for each word and translate it with the first thing that comes to mind.
We don't know why the client wants this word list translated, but assuming the client has already been informed of the folly of such an exercise, what would be the fastest way of delivering a product to him that is "accurately" translated within the limits of the job's limitations?
| | | | NMR (X)
France
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French to Dutch
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| Lists of keywords for websites? | Jan 10, 2011 |
Samuel Murray wrote:
Well, if the job is really just a list of words, with no definitions, then it is likely that the list of words would be context-less anyway. This means that even a professional English-Polish translator would have to select one meaning for each word and translate it with the first thing that comes to mind.
We don't know why the client wants this word list translated, but assuming the client has already been informed of the folly of such an exercise, what would be the fastest way of delivering a product to him that is "accurately" translated within the limits of the job's limitations?
Then the context is the website itself.
And in this case, the original poster's question (what is the quickest way) makes sense.
I would do this with Wordfast, though, in the way Samuel indicates (while constructing a glossary and using the glossary autopropagate function), and start from the beginning.
If an automated process is needed, I would use the autotranslate function after the first 10,000 words or so, which is a kind of batch process after all.
In each case, the results should be checked, as one keyword can lead to two or more translations.
[Edited at 2011-01-10 10:39 GMT]
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