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Fang Ke 
China
Local time: 17:38
English to Chinese
Hi Colleagues，
I’m moderately experienced in translation, new to freelancing, was contemplating whether or not to go straight for the international market. Self-evaluating one’s abilities and weaknesses is inescapably biased, I therefore look forward to some comments and opinions from you. Here is the translation:
原文：
At the sea shore you pick up a pebble, fashioned after a law of nature, in the exact form that best resists pressure, and worn as smooth as gla... See more Hi Colleagues，
I’m moderately experienced in translation, new to freelancing, was contemplating whether or not to go straight for the international market. Self-evaluating one’s abilities and weaknesses is inescapably biased, I therefore look forward to some comments and opinions from you. Here is the translation:
原文：
At the sea shore you pick up a pebble, fashioned after a law of nature, in the exact form that best resists pressure, and worn as smooth as glass. It is so perfect that you take it as a keepsake. But could you know its history from the time when a rough fragment of rock fell from the overhanging cliff into the sea, to be taken possession of by the under currents, and dragged from one ocean to another, perhaps around the world, for a hundred years, until in reduced and perfect form it was cast upon the beach as you find it, you would have a fit illustration of what many principles, now in familiar use, have endured, thus tried, tortured and fashioned during the ages. We stand by the river and admire the great body of water flowing so sweetly on; could you trace it back to its source, you might find a mere rivulet, but meandering on, joined by other streams and by secret springs, and fed by the rains and dews of heaven, it gathers volume and force, makes its way through the gorges of the mountains, plows, widens and deepens its channel through the provinces, and attains its present majesty. Thus it is that our truest systems of science had small beginnings, gradual and countless contributions, and finally took their place in use, as each of you, from helpless childhood and feeble boyhood, has grown to your present strength and maturity. No such system could be born in a day. It was not as when nature in fitful pulsations of her strength suddenly lifted the land into mountain ranges, but rather, as with small accretions, gathered in during countless years, she builds her islands in the seas.
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在海边，你捡起一块卵石，经由自然塑造，其状浑成，能最好地抵抗压力，其表面被风吹水蚀，光滑如玻璃。小小东西如此完美，你决定收起以作珍藏。但是如果你知道当初它是一块从悬崖上剥落的粗糙碎石，掉进海里被潜流带走，从某个海洋漂到另一个海洋，也许周游了全世界，迁徙了一百年，直至身形圆滑完美，被冲上此地海滩，被你偶遇拾起，你就对我们今日熟知的许多法则的由来有了一个恰当形象的描述，这些法则也是经历了无数世代的考验、曲解、改造演变而来的。我们站在大江边，观赏江水滔滔流逝；如果你能追溯其源头，你发现的可能不过是小溪流水，但是蜿蜒行进的途中，有其他溪流和隐蔽的泉流从旁汇入，加上沿途天降雨露，水量于是渐增，声势逐渐变猛，穿越山峡，淌过陆地，奔流的水道加宽，变深，直至成就眼前的壮观景象。与此类同，我们最牢固不谬的科学体系也源自各个微小的开端，后来者数不尽的贡献改造令它们在使用中逐步扎根成形，如同你们今日的强健成熟，无不始自孩童时的羸弱无助。没有类似的体系能够一日之内突然生成。它不像自然在偶发性的天崩地裂中举平地而成山脉，而像是其在亿万年的缓步挪移中从汪洋中升起岛屿。 ▲ Collapse
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wherestip
United States
Local time: 04:38
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我看翻得不错. 基本意思都翻出来了. 这段英文一句套一句, 一气呵成. 翻成中文断句不易. 断得不好, 意思很容易就变了. 所以你翻得挺好.
有些地方中文用词 以及 句子的连贯性 还是有改善的余地的, 但每人有每人的 语言喜好, 所以我认为没有必要多加评论.
有个别的地方值得探讨, 我稍提一下我的意见 ...
* fashioned after a law of nature ... 是按照一�... See more 我看翻得不错. 基本意思都翻出来了. 这段英文一句套一句, 一气呵成. 翻成中文断句不易. 断得不好, 意思很容易就变了. 所以你翻得挺好.
有些地方中文用词 以及 句子的连贯性 还是有改善的余地的, 但每人有每人的 语言喜好, 所以我认为没有必要多加评论.
有个别的地方值得探讨, 我稍提一下我的意见 ...
* fashioned after a law of nature ... 是按照一自然规律塑造而成的
Keep in mind the central theme of the original speech was about Common Law. So I think you want to stress the "law" aspect of the text, instead of completely ignoring it.
* But could you know its history from the time ... 历史
Somewhere in there I think you need to fit the word history in that sentence, I know it's not easily done because of the length of the sentence. Again IMO it is crucial to the main theme
* dragged from one ocean to another ... use 冲刷 or something else instead of 漂
* reduced and perfect form ... 与题有关, 精炼完美的意思 needs to be translated
* what many principles, now in familiar use, have endured, thus tried, tortured and fashioned during the ages ... "have endured" is a past participle, and so are "tried, tortured, and fashioned". All four words are active verbs, not passive. I'm not sure all the Chinese terms you selected reflect this. 我觉得最好不要把四个词混起来翻, 甚至落掉一个. 我还认为现有的选词也可再加以推敲. 考虑到这几个词都是和中心意思直接有关的, 最好翻译准确.
* as each of you, from helpless childhood and feeble boyhood, has grown to your present strength and maturity ... 我认为将次序颠倒并不好, 作者想达到的比喻效果反而不突出
* It was not as when nature in fitful pulsations of her strength suddenly lifted the land into mountain ranges ... "It" at the beginning of the sentence doesn't refer to 它 per se
* 没有类似的 体系能够一日之内突然生成 ... 不太像中文, 可再考虑
* as with small accretions ... "累积增长" 的意思 应翻出来, 比如 日积月累、积少成多 等 again important to the overall message
All in all, it's a good translation. But as I mentioned, there are some places where the "law" or "priniciple" aspect could be better emphasized to impress upon the reader of the central theme. IMO not all words are created equal in a piece of text. By inadvertently dropping some important words just to make the target text read more fluently is not a very good approach IMO.
I think that is a commonly seen flaw in some translations - not being able to grasp or convey the essence of a piece of original text effectively. By the way, I'm just sharing my opinion on translation work I've seen in general. By no means is this a criticism of your translation. I really think yours is one of the better examples of being able to get the important ideas of a relatively difficult text across. IMHO that ought to be the most important role of translation as a profession.
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/BluePete/LawCom.htm
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Angus Woo
Local time: 17:38
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| 這叫軟文, 此風一開, 自然仿效者眾 | Apr 27, 2008 |
這樣的發言容易與軟性廣告相連, 如果人人如此, 則本論壇的風氣將有越來越重的商業味道, 有私利則不利於公正平和相處.
IMO, 如真有疑問似乎應該去kudoz, 在那裡得到認可.
其實我早就有一個想法, 就是在kudoz上引入匿名程序, 在答案沒有被確定之前, 將所有回答問題的人身分遮蔽, 以求從程序上保證更加公允, 不受個人喜好喜好影響. kudoz 其本質類似譯文比賽, 只是短些, 而比賽就應該按照比賽的方式進行.
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Fang Ke
China
Local time: 17:38
English to Chinese
TOPIC STARTER | Interestingly most of the points you raised happen to be what I’ve given extra deliberation to, | Apr 27, 2008 |
with the translations either results of preference or compromise.
* fashioned after a law of nature ... 是按照一自然规律塑造而成的
Keep in mind the central theme of the original speech was about Common Law. So I think you want to stress the "law" aspect of the text, instead of completely ignoring it.
I agree, the “law” aspect is better to be made more explicit.
* But could you know its history from the time ... 历史
Somewhere in there I think you need to fit the word history in that sentence, I know it's not easily done because of the length of the sentence. Again IMO it is crucial to the main theme
Yes part of the reason for the omission is to avoid possible syntactical clumsiness. But IMO although the word "history" is pivotal in structuring the original English sentence it carries no particular weight semantically. All those clauses that follow the word are already obvious illustrations of a long history of natural happenings shaping things, with the translation ”当初"marking the beginning. And besides, there is an abundance of other words and phrases in the rest of the narrative that are clearly talking about history.
* reduced and perfect form ... 与题有关, 精炼完美的意思 needs to be translated
reduced 描述的是石头被长久“冲击磨蚀”的结果吧？“圆滑”一词可能不足以传达"reducing" 这个过程的意思，一时找不到更好的替代，凑合用了。
* what many principles, now in familiar use, have endured, thus tried, tortured and fashioned during the ages ... "have endured" is a past participle, and so are "tried, tortured, and fashioned". All four words are active verbs, not passive. I'm not sure all the Chinese terms you selected reflect this. 我觉得最好不要把四个词混起来翻, 甚至落掉一个. 我还认为现有的选词也可再加以推敲. 考虑到这几个词都是和中心意思直接有关的, 最好翻译准确.
"have endured”一语我用“经历了”一笔带过了。不过意思是有些被弱化，但我感觉后面的"tried, tortured, and fashioned”差不多能弥补这一弱化，另外这三个词语法上虽应做主动解，但综观整句和全文，我认为它们是指"laws and principles" 被tried（试用考验）, tortured(滥用曲解)，fashioned(修正改造)的过程。
* It was not as when nature in fitful pulsations of her strength suddenly lifted the land into mountain ranges ... "It" at the beginning of the sentence doesn't refer to 它 per se
“它”其实是我修改时加上的，并不用来与原文中的"it”对应，可以解为前面所指的体系的生成或演变过程。感觉最后一句没有一个主语结构上有点insecure。
此类文本10个人翻译估计会有10种非常不同的结果，我感兴趣的不仅是别人如何翻得更好，也包括风格上如何不同。I believe seeing some different opinions makes one more open and flexible, which helps enhance and refine one's skills. Thanks a lot for your comments.
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Fang Ke
China
Local time: 17:38
English to Chinese
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* dragged from one ocean to another ... use 冲刷 or something else instead of 漂
我的用意是以前面的“带走”和后面的“漂”合起来表达"dragged”的效果。影视里不是常有警察或暴徒大手一挥，高喊“把他给我带走！”的镜头吗？当然这样说牵强，这里缺少那种被外力裹挟而去的粗暴意味，用“冲刷”也许更合适。
* as each of you, from helpless childhood and feeble boyhood, has grown to your present strength and maturity ... 我认为将次序颠倒并不好, 作者想达到的比喻效果反而不突出
我的译法音调还顺溜，基本意思也没有不忠，我就没再细想了。
* 没有类似的 体系能够一日之内突然生成 ... 不太像中文, 可再考虑
是有一点夹生，there's got to be a better way.
* as with small accretions ... "累积增长" 的意思 应翻出来, 比如 日积月累、积少成多 等 again important to the overall message
As a matter of fact, islands could be the accumulated results of 地下物质的挪移， or sediments dropping on sea floors 的日积月累, the original speaker most probably meant the latter. It's just that I like 缓步挪移, both as a stand-alone expression and as a part of the symmetrical structure of the last sentence. Yes it's not factually faithful, but I feel adequate to convey whatever the speaker wanted to convey. So it's a bit of adaptation, I surely wish it does not come across as blatant rewriting.
What I am doing here is elucidating my reasoning, it's not meant to be rationalization or justification of any of my translations.
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Wenjer Leuschel (X)
Taiwan
Local time: 17:38
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| 在这里表现一下具体的翻译功夫 | Apr 27, 2008 |
总比光说不练，吹嘘价格的好。老实说，我觉得楼主翻译得不错，蛮有可为的，只是我没有时间仔细评论细节而已。
要说软性广告，KudoZ也同样可以拿来做做软性广告。KudoZ引入匿名程序倒是个好想法，甚至提问者都应该先是匿名的，选定答案后才显示提问者和答题者的常用名。这样会大大改变目前的某些商业行为模式。
不过，有可能吗？
Angus Woo wrote:
這樣的發言容易與軟性廣告相連, 如果人人如此, 則本論壇的風氣將有越來越重的商業味道, 有私利則不利於公正平和相處.
IMO, 如真有疑問似乎應該去kudoz, 在那裡得到認可.
其實我早就有一個想法, 就是在kudoz上引入匿名程序, 在答案沒有被確定之前, 將所有回答問題的人身分遮蔽, 以求從程序上保證更加公允, 不受個人喜好喜好影響. kudoz 其本質類似譯文比賽, 只是短些, 而比賽就應該按照比賽的方式進行.
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Fang Ke
China
Local time: 17:38
English to Chinese
TOPIC STARTER | 回Wenjer和Angus | Apr 28, 2008 |
总比光说不练，吹嘘价格的好。老实说，我觉得楼主翻译得不错，蛮有可为的，只是我没有时间仔细评论细节而已。
谢谢。
這叫軟文, 此風一開, 自然仿效者眾
這樣的發言容易與軟性廣告相連, 如果人人如此, 則本論壇的風氣將有越來越重的商業味道, 有私利則不利於公正平和相處.
IMO, 如真有疑問似乎應該去kudoz, 在那裡得到認可.
其實我早就有一個想法, 就是在kudoz上引入匿名程序, 在答案沒有被確定之前, 將所有回答問題的人身分遮蔽, 以求從程序上保證更加公允, 不受個人喜好喜好影響. KudoZ 其本質類似譯文比賽, 只是短些, 而比賽就應該按照比賽的方式進行.
You're right I am not completely free of ulterior motive, if that means I would be glad if some potential client happen upon this post and has affirmative opinion on my translation.
Perhaps I am as sensitive as you, but I ventured a bit. Now I am not sure if I shall feel guilty.
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Angus Woo
Local time: 17:38
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Wenjer Leuschel wrote: 总比光说不练，吹嘘价格的好。老实说，我觉得楼主翻译得不错，蛮有可为的，只是我没有时间仔细评论细节而已。 要说软性广告，KudoZ也同样可以拿来做做软性广告。KudoZ引入匿名程序倒是个好想法，甚至提问者都应该先是匿名的，选定答案后才显示提问者和答题者的常用名。这样会大大改变目前的某些商业行为模式。 不过，有可能吗？ Angus Woo wrote:
這樣的發言容易與軟性廣告相連, 如果人人如此, 則本論壇的風氣將有越來越重的商業味道, 有私利則不利於公正平和相處.
IMO, 如真有疑問似乎應該去kudoz, 在那裡得到認可.
其實我早就有一個想法, 就是在kudoz上引入匿名程序, 在答案沒有被確定之前, 將所有回答問題的人身分遮蔽, 以求從程序上保證更加公允, 不受個人喜好喜好影響. kudoz 其本質類似譯文比賽, 只是短些, 而比賽就應該按照比賽的方式進行.
難度肯定比把網站整個本地化要容易些.
譯文比賽就是用的這個方式, 是現成的.
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wherestip
United States
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fang ke wrote:
You're right I am not completely free of ulterior motive, if that means I would be glad if some potential client happen upon this post and has affirmative opinion on my translation.
Perhaps I am as sensitive as you, but I ventured a bit. Now I am not sure if I shall feel guilty.
fang ke,
I agree with Angus that there are probably better ways to showcase your language skills rather than using a soft advertising approach.
Anyway, I wish you well in breaking into the freelance translation market. Good luck.
[Edited at 2008-04-28 12:59]
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ysun
United States
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Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
在这里表现一下具体的翻译功夫
总比光说不练，吹嘘价格的好。
对于那种喜欢吹嘘价格的人，就要像 Tingting 所说那样，谁乱吹你就乱听好了，没有必要太把它当回事。记得曾有人一再在此声称，他的价格是0.25 欧元/word以上，可后来却又说$0.07/word的项目他也干。于是让人一头雾水，不知他的价格和实力究竟如何。 后来，看了此君两次参赛的译文，总算对此君的实力有了比较实际的了解。
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Angus Woo
Local time: 17:38
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| Crossing the line. | Apr 29, 2008 |
fang ke wrote:
总比光说不练，吹嘘价格的好。老实说，我觉得楼主翻译得不错，蛮有可为的，只是我没有时间仔细评论细节而已。
谢谢。
這叫軟文, 此風一開, 自然仿效者眾
這樣的發言容易與軟性廣告相連, 如果人人如此, 則本論壇的風氣將有越來越重的商業味道, 有私利則不利於公正平和相處.
IMO, 如真有疑問似乎應該去kudoz, 在那裡得到認可.
其實我早就有一個想法, 就是在kudoz上引入匿名程序, 在答案沒有被確定之前, 將所有回答問題的人身分遮蔽, 以求從程序上保證更加公允, 不受個人喜好喜好影響. KudoZ 其本質類似譯文比賽, 只是短些, 而比賽就應該按照比賽的方式進行.
You're right I am not completely free of ulterior motive, if that means I would be glad if some potential client happen upon this post and has affirmative opinion on my translation. Perhaps I am as sensitive as you, but I ventured a bit. Now I am not sure if I shall feel guilty.
IMO, this place is not for private ad.
Also, please pay more attention to your own words, for your English may not be as good as you think.
You can put up a few nice words in your own profile if you wish. But if you try to privatize this place to your own advantage, you are actually infringing on the rights of other members. There are a lot of smart colleagues here, but not many of them would try to cross the line.
If you are indeed as sensitive as you claim, then please try to put yourself into other people's shoes and play a fair game.
BTW, there is nothing wrong with it if you are trying to promote your own business, and you don't need to be ashamed of it. But by giving it a good name or disguising the genuine purpose, you are actually being manipulative which I believe in many people's eyes is not a merit if not immoral.
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Fang Ke
China
Local time: 17:38
English to Chinese
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Angus Woo wrote: fang ke wrote:
总比光说不练，吹嘘价格的好。老实说，我觉得楼主翻译得不错，蛮有可为的，只是我没有时间仔细评论细节而已。
谢谢。
這叫軟文, 此風一開, 自然仿效者眾
這樣的發言容易與軟性廣告相連, 如果人人如此, 則本論壇的風氣將有越來越重的商業味道, 有私利則不利於公正平和相處.
IMO, 如真有疑問似乎應該去kudoz, 在那裡得到認可.
其實我早就有一個想法, 就是在kudoz上引入匿名程序, 在答案沒有被確定之前, 將所有回答問題的人身分遮蔽, 以求從程序上保證更加公允, 不受個人喜好喜好影響. KudoZ 其本質類似譯文比賽, 只是短些, 而比賽就應該按照比賽的方式進行.
You're right I am not completely free of ulterior motive, if that means I would be glad if some potential client happen upon this post and has affirmative opinion on my translation. Perhaps I am as sensitive as you, but I ventured a bit. Now I am not sure if I shall feel guilty. IMO, this place is not for private ad. Also, please pay more attention to your own words, for your English may not be as good as you think. You can put up a few nice words in your own profile if you wish. But if you try to privatize this place to your own advantage, you are actually infringing on the rights of other members. There are a lot of smart colleagues here, but not many of them would try to cross the line. If you are indeed as sensitive as you claim, then please try to put yourself into other people's shoes and play a fair game. BTW, there is nothing wrong with it if you are trying to promote your own business, and you don't need to be ashamed of it. But by giving it a good name or disguising the genuine purpose, you are actually being manipulative which I believe in many people's eyes is not a merit if not immoral.
我当然希望看到我原帖的人至少对这段翻译有一个总体上正面的印象，不论他是同行还是其他任何人。所以看到你说这样的发言容易与软性广告相连的时候我稍感意外但没有跳起来觉得自己受了冤屈。但说我隐常真正的目的则完全是你的过度揣测，常在这里发言的人总体上算得上是行业内水平相对高端的群体，我指望能有三五同行给我评判一下，他们的意见是以后自己在市场上自我定位的有用参照和提示（我做过几年翻译但不是在翻译公司，很少跟同行有什么交流）。
另外回头看我主贴后面的发言是有些失当，对wherestip的回应个别地方自我辩护的味道太浓。其实若以完美的翻译要求作为尺度，他提出的问题大部分是真正的问题，一个个都是flaw或至少是遗憾，我所谓的偏好其时也是局限条件下的偏好，我在稍作推敲之后还是犯难就绕开问题处理了，有些或者是语言本身的局限。其实我的回应能表明的是，那些问题确是问题，但是否能在合理时间内很好地解决？如果可以那从评审的角度来说就是扣分点，如果很难那这样的翻译是否变得更可以接受些？
如果这个版块的确不适合发这样的帖子那我表示抱歉，如果是我言语欠周还请原谅。
[Edited at 2008-04-30 07:40]
[Edited at 2008-04-30 09:16]
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Angus Woo
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| 不必道歉, 只是大家都沒有借公共地方進行個人宣傳, 也就請注意 | Apr 30, 2008 |
fang ke wrote: Angus Woo wrote: fang ke wrote:
总比光说不练，吹嘘价格的好。老实说，我觉得楼主翻译得不错，蛮有可为的，只是我没有时间仔细评论细节而已。
谢谢。
這叫軟文, 此風一開, 自然仿效者眾
這樣的發言容易與軟性廣告相連, 如果人人如此, 則本論壇的風氣將有越來越重的商業味道, 有私利則不利於公正平和相處.
IMO, 如真有疑問似乎應該去kudoz, 在那裡得到認可.
其實我早就有一個想法, 就是在kudoz上引入匿名程序, 在答案沒有被確定之前, 將所有回答問題的人身分遮蔽, 以求從程序上保證更加公允, 不受個人喜好喜好影響. KudoZ 其本質類似譯文比賽, 只是短些, 而比賽就應該按照比賽的方式進行.
You're right I am not completely free of ulterior motive, if that means I would be glad if some potential client happen upon this post and has affirmative opinion on my translation. Perhaps I am as sensitive as you, but I ventured a bit. Now I am not sure if I shall feel guilty. IMO, this place is not for private ad. Also, please pay more attention to your own words, for your English may not be as good as you think. You can put up a few nice words in your own profile if you wish. But if you try to privatize this place to your own advantage, you are actually infringing on the rights of other members. There are a lot of smart colleagues here, but not many of them would try to cross the line. If you are indeed as sensitive as you claim, then please try to put yourself into other people's shoes and play a fair game. BTW, there is nothing wrong with it if you are trying to promote your own business, and you don't need to be ashamed of it. But by giving it a good name or disguising the genuine purpose, you are actually being manipulative which I believe in many people's eyes is not a merit if not immoral. 我当然希望看到我原帖的人至少对这段翻译有一个总体上正面的印象，不论他是同行还是其他任何人。所以看到你说这样的发言容易与软性广告相连的时候我稍感意外但没有跳起来觉得自己受了冤屈。但说我隐常真正的目的则完全是你的过度揣测，常在这里发言的人总体上算得上是行业内水平相对高端的群体，我指望能有三五同行给我评判一下，他们的意见是以后自己在市场上自我定位的有用参照和提示（我做过几年翻译但不是在翻译公司，很少跟同行有什么交流）。 另外回头看我主贴后面的发言是有些失当，对wherestip的回应个别地方自我辩护的味道太浓。其实若以完美的翻译要求作为尺度，他提出的问题大部分是真正的问题，一个个都是flaw或至少是遗憾，我所谓的偏好其时也是局限条件下的偏好，我在稍作推敲之后还是犯难就绕开问题处理了，有些或者是语言本身的局限。其实我的回应能表明的是，那些问题确是问题，但是否能在合理时间内很好地解决？如果可以那从评审的角度来说就是扣分点，如果很难那这样的翻译是否变得更可以接受些？ 如果这个版块的确不适合发这样的帖子那我表示抱歉，如果是我言语欠周还请原谅。
廣告沒有錯, 僅僅是地方不合適而已. 公共地方進行私人推廣, 不太好, 似乎對其他人不公平.
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ysun
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| 我支持一下fang ke | Apr 30, 2008 |
我个人认为fang ke将自己的译文贴在这里供大家评论，并没有什么不妥，也算不上什么软性广告。以前也曾有一些翻译同仁采取过同样的做法，引起了热烈的讨论，使参与者都从中获益。因此，我个人认为对这种做法反而应该鼓励。要说软性广告，以前曾有人利用此论坛以什么市场观察的名义，连篇累牍地宣传自己的商业运作模式，宣传自己如何以“高价”聘用翻译等等，那才�... See more 我个人认为fang ke将自己的译文贴在这里供大家评论，并没有什么不妥，也算不上什么软性广告。以前也曾有一些翻译同仁采取过同样的做法，引起了热烈的讨论，使参与者都从中获益。因此，我个人认为对这种做法反而应该鼓励。要说软性广告，以前曾有人利用此论坛以什么市场观察的名义，连篇累牍地宣传自己的商业运作模式，宣传自己如何以“高价”聘用翻译等等，那才是十分露骨的广告。下面是ProZ.com关于forum范围的说明，谨供参考：
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ysun
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fang ke wrote: wherestip wrote:
* 没有类似的体系能够一日之内突然生成 ... 不太像中文, 可再考虑 是有一点夹生，there's got to be a better way.
Steve 在上面提出了一些很好的意见。对于这类作品的翻译，我是个外行，仅提出一点建议，供参考。
"No such system could be born in a day” 这句话与 "Rome was not built in one day” 十分类似。因此，把这句话译成“冰冻三尺非一日之寒”如何？与上下文连贯起来，应足以说明问题，故可译得灵活一些。
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