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我觉得 Mar 12, 2008

wherestip wrote:

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这个新闻让我想到台湾的情况,笑了半个小时。



Yeah, Eliot Spitzer just resigned a while ago, effective Monday. As New York State Attorney General, he was a big-time crusader on Wall Street and prosecuted many corrupt market insiders for their wrongdoings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer

As they say, what goes around comes around. That's why the Christian faith preaches "don't judge".

This country is still very conservative. Perhaps people in France would have just shrugged it off as an issue of someone's private life. We all know how it would have been received in China; in that respect, China is really liberal



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Steve, 我觉得他大多数的prosecution还是执行得蛮好的。不过他 going after AIG 前CEO Hank Greenberg让我觉得有点过分。


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这条新闻我们这里昨天就报导了 Mar 12, 2008

我的想法确实像Steve说的法国人那样,我认为有这样的私生活不那么值得炫耀,但也不那么严重,尤其是他在反腐方面做出了重要贡献。看政治人物也要看主流。另外,这事是不是被他揭露那些人的报复?

Steve, 为了避免争议,我把你以下帖子的一句话给删掉了,你不反对吧?

wherestip wrote:

Yeah, Eliot Spitzer just resigned a while ago, effective Monday. As New York State Attorney General, he was a big-time crusader on Wall Street and prosecuted many corrupt market insiders for their wrongdoings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer

As they say, what goes around comes around. That's why the Christian faith preaches "don't judge".

This country is still very conservative. Perhaps people in France would have just shrugged it off as an issue of someone's private life.


[Edited at 2008-03-12 18:57]


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他是中國人民的老朋友 Mar 12, 2008

wherestip wrote:

Wenjer Leuschel wrote:

这个新闻让我想到台湾的情况,笑了半个小时。



Yeah, Eliot Spitzer just resigned a while ago, effective Monday. As New York State Attorney General, he was a big-time crusader on Wall Street and prosecuted many corrupt market insiders for their wrongdoings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer

As they say, what goes around comes around. That's why the Christian faith preaches "don't judge".

This country is still very conservative. Perhaps people in France would have just shrugged it off as an issue of someone's private life. We all know how it would have been received in China; in that respect, China is really liberal



[Edited at 2008-03-12 18:17]


一個忠誠的國際主義戰士﹐在唐人街獲得不少選民的擁X(上邊一個萬字下邊加一個什麼﹐忘了不認識這個字)﹐把他推上州長寶座中國人是用選票盡力了的。雖然長得猴里猴氣的但氣質好。給他起得名字也好聽﹐叫思必策﹐就是這回也沒思也沒策﹐認栽。

是不是被他搞的那些人一直在搞他﹖出這拳頭夠重的。據說主動辭職可免于刑事起訴﹐是一種交換條件。

巨星隕落。

那年新澤西州長和他的助理搞點婚外同性戀倆人鬧掰了州長也為此黯然下臺。

再看網絡消息﹕某縣長在夜總會喝酒醉死了被縣委追記為三等功(或是烈士﹐具體名號我忘了)。就這兩天的事﹐喜歡8褂的可以蒐蒐。

[Edited at 2008-03-12 19:01]


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我刚才正好也在我上贴里加了这个问题 Mar 12, 2008

我也有这个疑问。

jyuan_us wrote:

是不是被他搞的那些人一直在搞他﹖


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你说的那个醉酒英雄在这儿呢 Mar 12, 2008

jyuan_us wrote:

wherestip wrote:

Wenjer Leuschel wrote:

这个新闻让我想到台湾的情况,笑了半个小时。



Yeah, Eliot Spitzer just resigned a while ago, effective Monday. As New York State Attorney General, he was a big-time crusader on Wall Street and prosecuted many corrupt market insiders for their wrongdoings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer

As they say, what goes around comes around. That's why the Christian faith preaches "don't judge".

This country is still very conservative. Perhaps people in France would have just shrugged it off as an issue of someone's private life. We all know how it would have been received in China; in that respect, China is really liberal



[Edited at 2008-03-12 18:17]


一個忠誠的國際主義戰士﹐在唐人街獲得不少選民的擁X(上邊一個萬字下邊加一個什麼﹐忘了不認識這個字)﹐把他推上州長寶座中國人是用選票盡力了的。雖然長得猴里猴氣的但氣質好。給他起得名字也好聽﹐叫思必策﹐就是這回也沒思也沒策﹐認栽。

是不是被他搞的那些人一直在搞他﹖出這拳頭夠重的。據說主動辭職可免于刑事起訴﹐是一種交換條件。

巨星隕落。

那年新澤西州長和他的助理搞點婚外同性戀倆人鬧掰了州長也為此黯然下臺。

再看網絡消息﹕某縣長在夜總會喝酒醉死了被縣委追記為三等功(或是烈士﹐具體名號我忘了)。就這兩天的事﹐喜歡8褂的可以蒐蒐。

[Edited at 2008-03-12 19:01]


我今天早上在CRI网站看到了标题,没有你那么8卦,没去看正文,
http://gb.cri.cn/18824/2008/03/12/106@1974765.htm


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Federal Crimes? 酿私酒好像也曾经是。 Mar 12, 2008

Tingting Huang wrote:

transport prostitute across states 在美国是federal crime。所以不能睁一只眼,比一只眼。;)


呵,我就说嘛!还是在华人的地方好。没有什么federal,当然也没有什么federal crimes了。台港澳犯罪的就往中国跑,中国的诈骗电话就往台港澳打,都不会有人调查,也不会有人被逮捕。谁说拉斯维加斯是犯罪天堂来着的?

Tingting Huang wrote:

其实,美国人那么喜欢自由市场经济理念,这事儿也应该让市场来发挥作用。
以上纯属午饭后瞎说,就当是助消化吧。


嗯,这也可帮助消化。其实,卖淫这回事可大可小,就是不要碰上外州来的。不过,华人的世界只有大一统,没有外州,所以只会是可小,不会是大。真好!


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聪明反被聪明误 Mar 12, 2008

chance wrote:

我也有这个疑问。

jyuan_us wrote:

是不是被他搞的那些人一直在搞他﹖


好像不是. 是他自己想瞒着太太, 将钱由这个账户转到那个账户. 转来转去, 引起嫌疑, 弄巧成拙的.

That Wiki page on Spitzer I provided a link to describes it this way ...



The investigation was initiated after his bank reported suspicious transactions to the IRS as required by the Bank Secrecy Act. According to Newsday, Spitzer wanted to transfer more than $10,000 to what turned out to be a front for the prostitution ring. However, he broke up the transactions into smaller slices due to federal law requiring the reporting of any transfer of $10,000 or more. When he tried to get his name taken off the wires, the bank refused, saying that the money had already been wired out and that it would be improper to do so in any case. The IRS' Criminal Investigation Division then started a probe, initially fearing that Spitzer was the victim of either extortion or identity theft.

Later the IRS contacted the FBI to investigate possible political corruption. This eventually led Federal investigators to link the money transfers to the prostitution ring. Federal prosecutors charged the four people operating the escort service with violations of the Mann Act the week prior to the announcement of Spitzer's involvement.





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转钱 Mar 12, 2008

是有这么一说 ...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/spitzer.money/index.html



Two officials said it appears that the main motivation for the money transfers was to hide money.

Sources said Spitzer allegedly was moving money between several of his own accounts, and investigators think he may have been shuffling money to hide his behavior from his wife.

Ultimately, the money in question ended up in the bank accounts of shell companies linked to the prostitution ring, the sources said.



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還沒多少航班在用 Mar 13, 2008

Yueyin Sun wrote:

Steve,

是的,很壮观。一个大国的首都机场就应该如此。

wherestip wrote:

Yueyin,

看你提供的那个关于捕捉 新西兰华裔杀人犯的 CNN 报道链接, 才注意到 CNN 有 亚洲、欧洲 等 subcategories.

去浏览了一下, 这才知道北京又建了新的巨型首都机场 ...

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/02/29/florcruz.china.giant.airport.cnn

才去了北京的機場, 新的叫做3號站, 空蕩蕩的, 要月底才正式真正開始, 現在只有6家航空公司在那裡, 冷清清的. 舊站與新站之間有免費的穿梭巴士, 車程不到10分鐘.

很寬敞, 空間變得大了, 裡面不錯, 感覺很好; 外觀不是很好看, 像一條魚的背部豎起來魚鰭和一個烏龜殼. 這個龍的設計, 實際外觀效果不是很令人滿意.



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一个并不成熟的考虑 Mar 13, 2008

按传统婚姻的概念,结婚的人要对婚姻对方承担道德与义务上的责任,如果其中一方,能够容忍并谅解对方,那么社会舆论与法律是否也可以宽容些?

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我们这里也报导了 Mar 13, 2008

我只看到内部,确实宽大,也是说暂时只有六家航空公司,所以空荡荡的。

Angus Woo wrote:

才去了北京的機場, 新的叫做3號站, 空蕩蕩的, 要月底才正式真正開始, 現在只有6家航空公司在那裡, 冷清清的. 舊站與新站之間有免費的穿梭巴士, 車程不到10分鐘.

很寬敞, 空間變得大了, 裡面不錯, 感覺很好; 外觀不是很好看, 像一條魚的背部豎起來魚鰭和一個烏龜殼. 這個龍的設計, 實際外觀效果不是很令人滿意.


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两码事 Mar 13, 2008

夫妻之间是否原谅对方,是夫妻之间的事。至于社会舆论又是另一回事,牵涉到许多因素,包括习俗、普遍观念等,可能反而因为一方的宽容而对“犯错”一方更加苛刻。人都同情被背叛的一方。被背叛的一方表现出宽容,只会使人对背叛方更加不齿。

chance wrote:

按传统婚姻的概念,结婚的人要对婚姻对方承担道德与义务上的责任,如果其中一方,能够容忍并谅解对方,那么社会舆论与法律是否也可以宽容些?





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看样子我得满地找别人的牙齿了 Mar 13, 2008

Zhoudan wrote:

夫妻之间是否原谅对方,是夫妻之间的事。至于社会舆论又是另一回事,牵涉到许多因素,包括习俗、普遍观念等,可能反而因为一方的宽容而对“犯错”一方更加苛刻。人都同情被背叛的一方。被背叛的一方表现出宽容,只会使人对背叛方更加不齿。

chance wrote:

按传统婚姻的概念,结婚的人要对婚姻对方承担道德与义务上的责任,如果其中一方,能够容忍并谅解对方,那么社会舆论与法律是否也可以宽容些?



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那你的意思是? Mar 13, 2008

Zhoudan wrote:

夫妻之间是否原谅对方,是夫妻之间的事。至于社会舆论又是另一回事,牵涉到许多因素,包括习俗、普遍观念等,可能反而因为一方的宽容而对“犯错”一方更加苛刻。人都同情被背叛的一方。被背叛的一方表现出宽容,只会使人对背叛方更加不齿。

chance wrote:

按传统婚姻的概念,结婚的人要对婚姻对方承担道德与义务上的责任,如果其中一方,能够容忍并谅解对方,那么社会舆论与法律是否也可以宽容些?



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chance wrote:

那你的意思是?

Zhoudan wrote:

夫妻之间是否原谅对方,是夫妻之间的事。至于社会舆论又是另一回事,牵涉到许多因素,包括习俗、普遍观念等,可能反而因为一方的宽容而对“犯错”一方更加苛刻。人都同情被背叛的一方。被背叛的一方表现出宽容,只会使人对背叛方更加不齿。

chance wrote:

按传统婚姻的概念,结婚的人要对婚姻对方承担道德与义务上的责任,如果其中一方,能够容忍并谅解对方,那么社会舆论与法律是否也可以宽容些?



http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/963535.html



Spitzer's resignation came after many calls were made for him to resign. Bloggers, commentators and comedians weighed in on the prostitution scandal and New Yorkers were also getting a shot and their view was clear: He should resign or be removed from office.

A poll released late Tuesday found that 70 percent of New Yorkers believed that Spitzer should resign, while 66 percent felt he should be impeached and removed from office if he does not.

State Republicans threatened to impeach the Democratic governor if he did not quit over the scandal that raises the possibility of criminal charges and the end of the political career of a man once considered a rising star in his party.

Unidentified aides told The New York Times Tuesday that Spitzer's wife, Silda Spitzer, was urging him not to step down.

Public opinion was heavily in favor of the governor leaving office, according to a WNBC/Marist poll that found 70 percent of registered New York voters wanted Spitzer to quit.

"It's a big thumbs-down from New York voters," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion in Poughkeepsie, New York. "He's in a politically untenable position as far as public opinion is concerned."



chance,

我觉得个人的意志和愿望, 不管如何正确或有远见, 往往是不能左右民意和社会舆论的. 这正是我在此之前提到的一个国家的"社会基础".

具体地到 Eliot Spitzer, 他人非常聪明能干, 看看他的 Wiki page 就能了解到. 他今后在 private sector 仍是大有前途.



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