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你的立场倒是十分明显的 May 28, 2008

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國內成批成批的網友徹底沒明白

沙朗史東的話到底什麼意思﹐群情激憤﹐跟那什麼大發作似的。

徹底地浪費激情了這回。


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我沒有什麼立場﹐我只說我看到得事實 May 28, 2008

有人錄制了視頻罵她傻逼﹐有人發動抵制她代言得產品﹐她代言產品得公司的中國辦事處的負責人也出來罵她﹐這都是不理智得行為。

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誰說了點什麼自己覺得不喜歡就發動大規模謾罵攻擊 May 28, 2008

這不是正常的民族素質。前一段CNN的事﹐紐約有華人以及律師站出來告發CNN要CNN給13億中國人每人1塊錢﹐搞得無法收場無法下臺﹐丟人丟大了。

[Edited at 2008-05-28 15:39]


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美國人說話直﹐ May 28, 2008

在被採訪時他們不會考慮自己說話別人愛不愛聽的習慣。怎麼想的他們就怎麼說。不像我們很多人被採訪時﹐說話必須迎合採訪人的AGENDA﹐ 而並非自己的看法。這是文化差別。

[Edited at 2008-05-28 15:44]


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言论自由, May 28, 2008

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在被採訪時他們不會考慮自己說話別人愛不愛聽的習慣。怎麼想的他們就怎麼說。不像我們很多人被採訪時﹐說話必須迎合採訪人的AGENDA﹐ 而並非自己的看法。這是文化差別。

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她说这些话是她的自由,她的自由言论引起受害人的强烈反应,这也是正常的。美国911后,要是哪个国家的人说那是美国应得的Karma,我看美国人会把这种人当成恐怖分子,说这话的人会受到死亡威胁的。但话又说回来,对沙朗斯通的言论,大家就当是SB言论就行了,搞得那么严肃,把它真当回事儿,这就有点不成熟了。也不知道都是谁在网上没事传播这么一些无聊的东西。


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素质 May 28, 2008

把沙朗史东的 Karma 以及“天谴论”之类的无稽之谈搞到这里来确实是很无聊、很不成熟的事情,在一定程度上也反映了素质。

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有人犯了辯家大忌 May 28, 2008

形式邏輯上有一個COMMON FALLACY﹐就是偏離辯論核心而轉向謾罵和攻擊﹐這種人不值得一駁﹐因為繼續駁斥就有失辯家身份了。我總不能繼續反問﹕你就那麼有素質嗎﹖

[Edited at 2008-05-28 16:25]


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这大概也犯了辯家大忌吧? May 28, 2008

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這不是正常的民族素質。前一段CNN的事﹐紐約有華人以及律師站出來告發CNN要CNN給13億中國人每人1塊錢﹐搞得無法收場無法下臺﹐丟人丟大了。

[Edited at 2008-05-28 15:39]


[Edited at 2008-05-28 19:54]


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老袁, May 28, 2008

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形式邏輯上有一個COMMON FALLACY﹐就是偏離辯論核心而轉向謾罵和攻擊﹐這種人不值得一駁﹐因為繼續駁斥就有失辯家身份了。我總不能繼續反問﹕你就那麼有素質嗎﹖

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我前面帖子里说得无聊可不是说你啊。相信你也看得懂,我是说那些最初发现沙朗私通言论,接着在网上八卦的人。


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karma May 28, 2008

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把沙朗史东的 Karma 以及“天谴论”之类的无稽之谈搞到这里来确实是很无聊、很不成熟的事情,在一定程度上也反映了素质。


karma = (in the Buddhist and Hindu religions) the force produced by a person's actions in one of their lives which influences what happens to them in their future lives (Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

'what goes around comes around' = 西方普通人生的俗话/生活原则 IMO。又有bad karma 之说法。要对人好

http://www.proz.com/forum/chinese/99674-样板戏”入教材,是谁之忧?.html?start=240#816269

"党中央是藏人真正的菩萨。"之类说法会不会引起karma?

[Edited at 2008-05-29 09:26]


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Decency and common sense May 29, 2008

知错必改 而不是 死不认错

Sharon Stone has apologized for her "karma" remarks.


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She made it on the first page of today's Financial Times May 29, 2008

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知错必改 而不是 死不认错

Sharon Stone has apologized for her "karma" remarks.



She probably hasn't had this much attention for a long time.


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另类声音 May 29, 2008

http://www.dwnews.com/gb/MainNews/Opinion/2008_5_28_20_26_4_185.html

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一点感受 May 29, 2008



多维的文章有点美化沙朗。沙的言论以及中国部分人的强烈反应都不具代表性,没有必要小题大做。不知道是哪位记者问了这么一个没水平的问题,也许本文作者知道来龙去脉,所以才会说是那位爱国记者在下套。作者因此看出了“一批中国人的暴戾本性来“,这个联想实在是令人匪夷所思。作者所谓的"非人性的污言秽语"在美国日常生活中可随处听到,按作者的逻辑,我们是不是可以把此作为美国人“暴戾的证明“呢?
沙朗斯通也只不过就是把她当时的想法说了出来。(She was just talking off the top of her head which doesn't have much in it.) 因为是公众人物,所以引起了极大反响。对她的言论以及因此而招致的个别强烈反响,我们都没有必要去夸大。添油加醋还是留给狗崽队去做吧。

Here is a clip of her comments and Fox news coverage on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru1gfM5gCn0

另,今天早上看了和讯网上一段关于沙朗道歉的报道,她表示愿意参与救灾活动。她应该是很诚恳了,不过那篇报道在结尾隐隐在抱怨,她和她的经纪人还没有做出任何捐款的表示,那意思就是在耍嘴皮子。这就有点过了,捐款要自愿才有意义,而且并不是捐款就显得有善心,不捐就是冷血动物。这是我个人的看法。


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"很有趣" May 29, 2008

作為譯人,憤青的聲音要聽,另類的聲音也要知道。

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