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白岩松耶鲁大学演讲 《我的故事以及背后的中国梦》 Jul 2, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S8smWagsJI

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盲人摸象-甭管他摸的是中国大象还是美国大象 Jul 2, 2011


白岩松:提到美国,人们马上想到这是一个现代化的国家,生活节奏快,都市霓虹灯闪烁,酒吧餐馆歌舞升平,人情冷漠,家庭观念不强,性方面非常开放,钱才是上帝。 到了美国你会发现,以上描述基本符合如今中国的状况,与美国关系不大。

wherestip wrote:

有些人对美国的好些情况只是走马观花,看到的许多都是表面形象。 我觉得又可以比作是盲人摸象。...

大洋两岸共庆伟业,一个梦想,各自表述。


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People vote with their feet Jul 3, 2011

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“很多中国学生读完博士不想回来不是因为不爱国,”聂辉华说,“他们是怕30岁读成回来后买不起房和车,失去尊严。”


这话只说对前面那一半,后一半却说得不对。有房有车就算有尊严?那这种尊严也太便宜了!依我看,这些人不想回国主要是怕堵车,因为国内开车不如 Route 66 上那样痛快。



I agree. IMO, loyalty or patriotism has nothing to do with it. Today the consideration on whether to stay or repatriate is very different than in the 1950's. Back then, many professionals returned to China with the selfless goal of participating in the nation's reconstruction. The sacrifices they made with regard to their standard of living were enormous. What someone has to give up today is simply not comparable.

Today, people's motives and the factors driving their decision-making are considerably different. Of course, everyone's situation varies. But if I were to venture a guess, I would say the major deciding factor for most folks would boil down to which society they feel more comfortable living in. It's more a matter of preference than anything else.

Besides, why would someone choose to live in an environment rife with official malfeasance while there are other alternatives? I certainly wouldn't.


[Edited at 2011-07-04 11:46 GMT]


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确实如此 Jul 3, 2011

wherestip wrote:

IMO, loyalty or being patriotic has nothing to do with it. Today the consideration on whether to stay or repatriate is very different than the 1950's. Back then, many professionals returned to China due to their desire to help with the country's reconstruction. The sacrifices they made with regard to their standard of living were enormous. What someone has to give up today is simply not comparable.

是的,50年代国内外生活条件的差别与如今相比,绝不可同日而语。那时的归国留学生,不但要牺牲国外优厚的生活条件,其中许多人还得“经过坎坷挫折和百折不挠的斗争”才能回国。尽管如此,还是有约50%的人回了国。如果那时的每一个归国留学生都能像钱学森、朱光亚那样得到尊重和珍惜,那今日的中国将更加大不一样。

http://www1.china.com.cn/chinese/ch-yuwai/313757.htm
据高教部统计,到1950年滞留在各国的留学生和学者有5000多人,其中美国3500人、日本1200人、英国443人、法国197人、德国50人、丹麦和加拿大各20人,大多数是抗战前后出国留学或工作的。新中国成立后,党中央和老一代科学家们召唤年轻学子回国工作。在1949—1954年间,有1424人经过坎坷挫折和百折不挠的斗争回到祖国,多数是从美(937人)、英(193人)、日(119人)和法国(85人)回来的。到50年代末回国人数增至2500名。其中著名科学家钱学森、赵忠尧、郭永怀、李恒德、师昌绪、陈能宽、侯祥麟等是在朝鲜战争后,经过中美多次谈判才得以回国的。


[Edited at 2011-07-03 19:43 GMT]


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钱也有委屈 Jul 3, 2011

据说钱也不得不说违心的话(违背科学良心)。他之所以得到重视,也跟他的专业有关。

ysun wrote:

如果那时的每一个归国留学生都能像钱学森、朱光亚那样得到尊重和珍惜,那今日的中国将更加大不一样。



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人才宝贵 Jul 4, 2011

Zhoudan wrote:

据说钱也不得不说违心的话(违背科学良心)。他之所以得到重视,也跟他的专业有关。

你的这位杭州老乡恐怕只是认识问题,而不是有意违背良心说违心话。

两弹一箭确实重要,但也有搞原子弹的不如卖茶叶蛋的时候。甚至现在还有人说,搞科研的不如卖地皮的。国民经济应该均衡发展。无论什么专业的人才都是宝贵的。

朱光亚是前蒋总统亲笔御批派来美国学原子弹的,但他毕业后却不去台湾而回新中国。如今唱红歌长大的却不愿回中国,看来还是红歌唱少了。


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公费 vs. 自费 Jul 4, 2011

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如今唱红歌长大的却不愿回中国,看来还是红歌唱少了。



Yueyin,

那是。 吃着国家饷钱出国留学的读完书当然应该回国了, 不然也等于是撕毁协议,不守信用。


BTW,昨天你和 Zhoudan 提到 钱学森 先生, 在网上查了一下,才得知他 09 年底去世的消息。 他不光是 中国的火箭导弹事业之父,还为美国 Jet Propulsion Lab 的奠基作出过宝贵贡献。

这一小段摘自洛杉矶时报 Nov. 1,2009 的一篇讣告:



Qian, a Chinese-born aeronautical engineer educated at Caltech and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was a protege of Caltech's eminent professor Theodore von Karman, who recognized him as an outstanding mathematician and "undisputed genius."

Qian's research contributed to the development of "jet-assisted takeoff" technology that the military began using in the 1940s.

He was the founding director of the Daniel and Florence Guggenheim Jet Propulsion Center at Caltech and a member of the university's so-called Suicide Squad of rocket experimenters who laid the groundwork for testing done by JPL.



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Jet Propulsion Laboratory Jul 4, 2011

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Propulsion_Laboratory



JPL traces its beginnings to 1936 in the Guggenheim Aeronautical Laboratory at the California Institute of Technology (GALCIT) when the first set of rocket experiments were carried out in the Arroyo Seco. Caltech graduate students Frank Malina, Weld Arnold, Apollo M. O. Smith, and Tsien Hsue-shen, along with Jack Parsons and Edward Forman, tested a small, alcohol fueled motor to gather data for Malina's graduate thesis. Malina's thesis advisor was aerodynamicist Theodore von Kármán, who eventually arranged for U.S. Army financial support for this "GALCIT Rocket Project" in 1939. In 1941, Malina, Parsons, Forman, Martin Summerfield, and pilot Homer Bushey demonstrated the first JATO rockets to the Army. In 1943, von Kármán, Malina, Parsons, and Forman established the Aerojet Corporation to manufacture JATO motors. The project took on the name Jet Propulsion Laboratory in November 1943 formally becoming an Army facility operated under contract by the university.

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公费 vs. 自费 Jul 4, 2011

wherestip wrote:

Yueyin,

吃着国家饷钱出国留学的读完书当然应该回国了, 不然也等于是撕毁协议,不守信用。

Steve,

你说得对。公派留学生是根据中美政府之间的协议派出的,拿着国家的饷银,持J-1签证来美。协议规定,公派留学生学成后必须回国服务至少两年后才能再次申请进入美国,也就是说,他们不能直接申请移民。但当时大部分公派留学生都不愿回国。后来美国政府规定,他们可向美国国务院申请免除其必须回国服务两年的限制。在申请时,他们必须提供中国驻美使馆代表中国政府出具的“不持异议信”(No-objection Statement)。而要获得此“不持异议信”,他们就必须先获得原派遣单位出具的同意他们不回国服务的证明。结果,很多公派留学生都通过这一途径申请了豁免和移民。
http://www.sino-education.org/studyabroad/J1questions.htm

自费留学生则不受上述限制。


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遭过一劫、躲过一劫 Jul 4, 2011

钱学森先生当年在美国遭到迫害,受到审查、监视和监禁,最后被驱逐出境。后来,钱先生说,除非美国政府公开道歉,否则他再也不会踏上美国的土地。可见,他在美国期间遭到的迫害伤透了他的心。

幸运的是,他在反右、文革期间没有像50年代回国的其他众多学者一样遭到迫害。
"It was the stupidest thing this country ever did," former Navy Secretary Dan Kimball later said, according to Aviation Week. "He was no more a Communist than I was, and we forced him to go."

BTW, I visited both Caltech and JPL when I lived in California.


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难得原单位这么通融 Jul 5, 2011

ysun wrote:

wherestip wrote:

Yueyin,

吃着国家饷钱出国留学的读完书当然应该回国了, 不然也等于是撕毁协议,不守信用。

Steve,

你说得对。公派留学生是根据中美政府之间的协议派出的,拿着国家的饷银,持J-1签证来美。协议规定,公派留学生学成后必须回国服务至少两年后才能再次申请进入美国,也就是说,他们不能直接申请移民。但当时大部分公派留学生都不愿回国。后来美国政府规定,他们可向美国国务院申请免除其必须回国服务两年的限制。在申请时,他们必须提供中国驻美使馆代表中国政府出具的“不持异议信”(No-objection Statement)。而要获得此“不持异议信”,他们就必须先获得原派遣单位出具的同意他们不回国服务的证明。结果,很多公派留学生都通过这一途径申请了豁免和移民。
http://www.sino-education.org/studyabroad/J1questions.htm

自费留学生则不受上述限制。


拿着“皇粮”去“美帝”进修学习,原单位还放那一马。不同于西方文化理念——要靠关系。

[Edited at 2011-07-05 02:37 GMT]


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想走的就留不住 Jul 5, 2011

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拿着“皇粮”去“美帝”进修学习,原单位还放那一马。不同于西方文化理念——要靠关系。

这些人与原派遣单位是如何达成谅解的,我不大清楚。但为什么中国留不住人才,著名最高学府都成了出国预备班,这也是个值得深思的问题。


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见微而知著 Jul 13, 2011

见过企业管理到家的,但还没见过管得如此到家的。一般超市通常都会在其厕所里明文规定:Employees must wash hands before returning to work. 但这家连锁超市连如何洗手、洗手后如何开门都作了详细规定:

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见微而知著,到这样的超市买东西是绝对可以放心的。回想起以前曾有过北京家乐福换食品包装、改有效日期的报道。但没想到,家乐福至今仍在继续发扬光大此缺德传统!我们这里超市的食品在有效期满之前就半价出售了。

http://video.sina.com.cn/p/finance/20110510/234761336047.html

http://news.bandao.cn/news_html/201105/20110509/news_20110509_1284315.shtml
没有了“牛肉膏”、“瘦肉精”、“柠檬黄”等食品添加剂,我们的食品环境就安全了吗?在杭州家乐福涌金店购物的黄女士一个细心的发现回答了这个问题:2011年4月30日去买东西,竟然买到了生产日期是2011年5月1日的产品!


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李冰冰 Jul 14, 2011

This actress was on "The View" just now, to promote the movie "Snow Flower and the Secret Fan" (雪花与秘扇). It opens in U.S. theaters starting tomorrow.

The story in the movie trailer comes across as a bit artificial. But I was quite impressed with the actress. She seemed intelligent, poised, and well-mannered.

http://www.foxsearchlight.com/snowflowerandthesecretfan/


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Recap Jul 14, 2011

http://theview.abc.go.com/recap/thursday-july-14-2011



Li Bing Bing, one of China's biggest celebrities, was also here to promote the big-screen version of the novel Snow Flower and the Secret Fan! Li spoke a little bit about herself and her growing success in China. She told viewers her new movie is about two girls who became friends at a young age and their lifelong friendship. It comes out this weekend in theaters, so be sure to go check it out!



Today's episode of "The View" …

http://abc.go.com/watch/the-view/SH559080/VD55135179/the-view-714


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