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USD$10.00 for 4,743 words???????!!!!!!!
Thread poster: Xiaoping Fu

Xiaoping Fu  Identity Verified
Canada
Local time: 12:43
Chinese to English
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Mar 19, 2002

Hi freelance translators,



I pick up this topic from the other thread in the Chinese forum. About the dispute between Yang JS and Mike, Kevin gave a constructive summery which I full agree.



What strikes me is the fact that Yang JS was offered a project of 4,743 words for the payment of NT$260.00 (roughly USD $10.00). It is a rate of USD$0.002 per word!!! I cannot believe my eyes until now. So would you please, Yang JS, clarify the fact? Isn\'t NT$ 260.00 a typo for NT$ 26,000? Mike, would you like to share with our freelancers here how much your client was going to pay you, just for this project since it already went to the public?



I cannot do 4,743 words per day myself. Even I can, I can barely survive with an income of USD$ 10.00 per day even in China. It is even worse than working in the sweat plants!!



I think we cannot make serious sense in discussing professionalism without referring to the issue of rates, because it is the driving force behind most of the disputes. If the translators were not respected by reasonable rates, you cannot expect them to yield professional jobs.





Xiaoping



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David Rockell
Chinese to English
Chinese translation rates Mar 19, 2002

My experience in the local market suggests to me that the average rate offered by agencies to freelance translators is RMB80 to RMB150 per one thousand characters into English and perhaps 20% less that this for translation into Chinese. Even though this rate is low (appallingly so by European and US standards) it is enough to earn an honest and decent living in China if you can find and average of around 4000 words a day. For suppliers in Taiwan and HK the rates offered freelancers seem to be double this, and naturally, their requirements are also much higher. Kind of a paradox that rates for one of the more \"difficult languages\" are so low, but I suppose there is a great deal of competition out there, at least numerically speaking. I may be off the mark here and so I would love to hear any idea about local China rates from other CE and EC translators out there battling away on their keyboards to keep the home fires burning.总而言之,一分价钱一分货!别怪我你一毛钱的单子不是流传千古的佳作!

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Scott Li  Identity Verified
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Local time: 04:43
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US$260 Mar 19, 2002

If my memory is correct, I think Yang did corrected that the amount should be US$260.

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Li-chuan Yen  Identity Verified
Local time: 04:43
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Exchange rate in Taiwan Mar 19, 2002

FYI

1 USD = 34.6 NTD

So your calculation is a bit high.


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xxxGlossika
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You mean 400 words!!! Mar 19, 2002

I am a senior translator working for Glossika for more than two years. I am Shanghainese. The company definitely respects qualified translators and quality work. I can\'t agree to whatever \"William Yu-bing J.S.\" Yang has been doing so far to a decent company like Glossika and I\'d like to say something to him: Stop lying and grow up.



We translators should fight against these unqualified translators like Yang. Shame on him.



This assignment has a payment of NT$.65 (RMB 2.73) per word and that is higher than agencies pay in China. There are only 400 words.



I edited this assignment. His English comprehension is bad and his Chinese writing is bad. He translated an American street address into Chinese as a slogan. There were so many mistakes. I\'m going to paste the original English below. It is a news release.



Regards,

Irene Zhang (张琪)





Storage Technology Corporation 303 673.5020 phone

One StorageTek Drive

Louisville, CO 80028-4130



Yang wrote: (美国存储技术公司

一个致力存储的事业)



NEWS RELEASE



Contact: Robin Raulf-Sager Joe Fuentes

Public Relations Manager Manager, Global Public Relations

303.661.5920 303.661.2523

robin_raulf-sager@storagetek.com joe_fuentes@storagetek.com



STORAGETEK HITS FORTUNE’S MOST ADMIRED COMPANIES LIST

Company Ranks No. 1 in Computer Peripherals Category

LOUISVILLE, Colo., Feb. 28, 2002 – StorageTek® (Storage Technology Corp., NYSE:STK) ranks No. 1 in America’s Most Admired Companies list in the Computer Peripherals category. The list appears in FORTUNE magazine’s March 4 issue. The company also scored well in The Wall Street Journal\'s Shareholder Scoreboard and The Bloomberg Personal Finance: Top 100 Hot Stocks.

Matthew Boyle of FORTUNE said, “FORTUNE’s Most Admired seem to perform at their best when the heat is on, consistently delivering to shareholders, customers and employees.... We admire companies that are successful in transforming themselves, in good times and bad.”

FORTUNE describes the list, now celebrating its 20th anniversary, as a “definitive report card on corporate reputations.” Corporate executives, directors and securities analysts have recognized StorageTek for its outstanding performance in the areas of innovation, financial soundness, employee talent, use of corporate assets, long-term investment value, social responsibility, quality of management and quality of products and services.

“This recognition encourages and validates the efforts our employees put forth in 2001,” said Pat Martin, StorageTek chairman, president and CEO. “The confidence our customers and other stakeholders have in StorageTek further reinforces our conviction that our corporate goals and values are right on track.”

-more-





STORAGETEK TOPS MOST ADMIRED LIST 2-2-2/

StorageTek also was listed on the Bloomberg Top 100 Hot Stocks list, which was published in the January/February issue Bloomberg Personal Finance. It was the sixth annual BLOOMBERG 100, ranking the top performance stocks of 2001, the leaders in total return on investment. This year\'s winning companies are all newcomers to the list, and align the economic vertebrae of essential business. StorageTek was ranked in the network backup and recovery software.



In The Wall Street Journal Shareholder Scoreboard, StorageTek ranked 15 out of 25 in \"The Most Improved Companies\' category, which highlights companies that show the biggest year-over-year gains in one-year returns on investment. StorageTek showed a return of 180.9 percent.



The company was ranked 16 out of 25 in the \"The Best Peformers\" category, which measured returns based on average compound annual total returns, including price changes and reinvestments from any dividends or other cash or noncash distributions, for periods through year-end 2001.



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Kemal Mustajbegovic  Identity Verified
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$2 per 300 wrds Mar 19, 2002

Wait, there\'s more!



Just today a new English > Bosnian job\'s been posted and when I intended to place my bid I noticed that \"outsourcer\'s pricing (is) $2 per 300 wrds\". It is .6c/w.



What\'s going on here?



It must be me because there\'re 4 bids already placed.


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xxxGlossika
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Shoud be RMB.15 Mar 19, 2002

Of course, I calculated the wrong way. Should divide by 4.2 not multiply, so it should be RMB.15 not 2.73!!!



Irene


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Yang JS
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I don't know who is Irene Zhang (张琪), but your source text is different from mine Mar 19, 2002

It\'s over! I do not care if you\'re from UK, Taiwan or Shanghai. I belittle you. Do not bark like dogs. Here\'re my translation and source text. The translation is not done by myself. I have my son, a high-school student do them. Everything is clear now. I told Mike, my son did the translation. Go and ask Mike!





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Storage Technology Corporation

One StorageTek Drive



NEWS RELEASE



Contact: Robin Raulf-Sager Joe Fuentes

Public Relations Manager Manager, Global Public Relations







STORAGETEK HITS FORTUNE’S MOST ADMIRED COMPANIES LIST

Company Ranks No. 1 in Computer Peripherals Category

LOUISVILLE, Colo., Feb. 28, 2002 – StorageTek® (Storage Technology Corp., NYSE:STK) ranks No. 1 in America’s Most Admired Companies list in the Computer Peripherals category. The list appears in FORTUNE magazine’s March 4 issue. The company also scored well in The Wall Street Journal\'s Shareholder Scoreboard and The Bloomberg Personal Finance: Top 100 Hot Stocks.

Matthew Boyle of FORTUNE said, “FORTUNE’s Most Admired seem to perform at their best when the heat is on, consistently delivering to shareholders, customers and employees.... We admire companies that are successful in transforming themselves, in good times and bad.”

FORTUNE describes the list, now celebrating its 20th anniversary, as a “definitive report card on corporate reputations.” Corporate executives, directors and securities analysts have recognized StorageTek for its outstanding performance in the areas of innovation, financial soundness, employee talent, use of corporate assets, long-term investment value, social responsibility, quality of management and quality of products and services.

“This recognition encourages and validates the efforts our employees put forth in 2001,” said Pat Martin, StorageTek chairman, president and CEO. “The confidence our customers and other stakeholders have in StorageTek further reinforces our conviction that our corporate goals and values are right on track.”

-more-





STORAGETEK TOPS MOST ADMIRED LIST 2-2-2/

StorageTek also was listed on the Bloomberg Top 100 Hot Stocks list, which was published in the January/February issue Bloomberg Personal Finance. It was the sixth annual BLOOMBERG 100, ranking the top performance stocks of 2001, the leaders in total return on investment. This year\'s winning companies are all newcomers to the list, and align the economic vertebrae of essential business. StorageTek was ranked in the network backup and recovery software.



In The Wall Street Journal Shareholder Scoreboard, StorageTek ranked 15 out of 25 in \"The Most Improved Companies\' category, which highlights companies that show the biggest year-over-year gains in one-year returns on investment. StorageTek showed a return of 180.9 percent.



The company was ranked 16 out of 25 in the \"The Best Peformers\" category, which measured returns based on average compound annual total returns, including price changes and reinvestments from any dividends or other cash or noncash distributions, for periods through year-end 2001.

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美國存儲技術公司

一個致力存儲的事業



新聞發佈



聯繫人 史洛賓 馮覺

公共關係部經理 全球公共關係部經理







美國存儲公司成爲《財富》雜誌的最受青睞的公司排行榜的最大熱門

公司成爲電腦週邊設備供應行業的新科狀元

科羅拉多州路易維爾2002年2月28日消息—StorageTek®(存儲技術公司,紐交所代碼:STK)在電腦週邊設備供應商全美最受青睞的公司排名中榮登榜首。所有排名將在3月4日出版的《財富》雜誌上公佈。公司在華爾街股東回報排行榜與彭勃個人理財上也表現不俗:100只最熱門股票

《財富》雜誌的鮑馬修先生說:“《財富》評選的全美最受青睞公司業績卓越,魅力四射,能夠持續給股東、客戶與雇員提供……我們敬仰這些公司,他們不論是在順境或逆境中都能把握自己命運\。

在慶祝公司20周年時推出,財富稱這個排行榜是“公司名譽的總結性名片”。公司行政人員、董事會成員與證券分析師在目睹了存儲技術在創新、財務健全度、公司人才、公司資産用途、長期投資價值、社會責任感、管理層能力以及産品與服務質量等方面傑出表現後做出了評定。

“這樣的榮譽鼓勵與認可了我們所有員工在2001年所作出的努力,”存儲技術的董事會主席,總裁兼行政執行官馬博先生說,“客戶與其他股東對存儲技術的信心更加堅定了我們對我們公司目標和價值所作出的正確判斷。

-接下頁-





存儲技術榮膺最受青睞排行榜榜首 2-2-2/

存儲技術還被選入了彭勃最熱門100股票排行榜,結果刊登在1/2月出版的彭勃個人理財上。這是它第六次進入彭勃100排名,2001年被評爲表現最爲突出的股票,投資回報名列前茅。今年的上榜公司全部屬新貴,它們構成了基礎業務的經濟脊梁。存儲技術是在網路備份與恢復軟體供應行業進行排名的。



華爾街股東回報排行榜上將存儲技術評爲25家“進步最快的公司”中列15,這個排行榜是將年度收益率較上一年增長最快的公司進行排名的。存儲技術收益率爲百分之180.9。



公司在“業績最好公司”的25家公司排行榜上列16,這個排行榜計算了到2001年年終爲止各個時期根據平均複利年度總收益基礎的收益,包括價格的變化與紅利的再投資或者其他現金或非現金分配。



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Yang JS
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For OFFER RATES Mar 19, 2002

My standard offer rates is between USD0.06-0.12 for translation. I did projects at rate of 0.04 before when I just start my career, but I never charge less than USD0.08 this year, and I earned USD7,258 last month, more than Mike!!! That\'s all the truth.



Let\'s stop and forget it.



I will contact with Henry to delete the forum. It becomes ridiculous now!



It becomes the paradise of GANSTERS!


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Yang JS
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We translators should fight against these unqualified translators Mar 19, 2002

Irene Zhang (张琪)

You may stay on, just in Kudoz, take with yourself other translators, who you repect as qualified, we\'ll find out how good you are. You may say you do not have time. Do you have have published works? Let\'s find out how good you are!



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Yang JS
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We translators should fight against these unqualified translators Mar 19, 2002

Irene Zhang (张琪)

You may stay on, just in Kudoz, take with yourself other translators, who you repect as qualified, we\'ll find out how good you are. You may say you do not have time. Do you have have published works? Let\'s find out how good you are!



Do not change your name, we all have one father no more. My family name is Yang, you will see me here everyday.



How much they pay you? As a senior translator, you must earn more than I. Just get what you should be paid. Do not lie to yourself.



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Yang JS
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The translation does not represent my translation quality Mar 19, 2002

I,before my freelance career, was like Irene Zhang (张琪), a Senior Translator from a world top new agency. And now, a US Lawer\'s Office, one of the world largest is considering my service. Like Glossika, I\'m thinking of opening my own company.



I do not expect a Shanghaier/nese to get involved. I even do not know if you are or not.So I may badmouthed you. I\'m sorry.



I told MIKE I\'m a country man. Let\'s stop here. I have a lot business to do for the coming months.


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Kevin Yang  Identity Verified
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Can we learn anything from this dispute? Mar 19, 2002

Dear Translators:



Thank you for the discussion here. I think Xiaoping brought up an interesting question. Lets talk about it. I suggest to ask the question as what is a fair rate for a translator? I will create a new folder for this topic. Please share your wisdom with us in THAT folder!



I tried very hard to guide this discussion into a healthy path which can lead all of us to learn something valuable from this unfortunate dispute between YangJS and GLASSIKA. Instead of getting Glassika\'s positive feedback to my previous message posted in this Forum under the file name \"Let\'s end it here, please!\" I saw another message today in this folder from Glassika in the nature of bitter attach. It looks like someone did not get the drip.



I think it is necessary for Glassika to make a clarification when Xiaoping was questioning about the rate this company is paying to its translators, but it is NOT necessary at all for to start all over again the proof about the qualification of your counterpart in this dispute. It is neither healthy nor constructive. Stop it!



Let me make my point again and hope this will help you. You knew the Chinese translator you decided to hire for this job is a native Chinese who lives in China and he never lived or worked in an English speaking country or environment. You knew your job is a translation from Chinese to English. You did not run a test to check his English translation skills. It is you who is unrealistically expecting this translator would produce the English translation in a quality that is meeting your standard or acceptable to you. You took your risk and got what the translators can offer. I am sure the translator tried his best. His quality might work well in China. If you dont like it, then it is your fault to push him for this translation. So, pay him whatever the agreement was between you two and get over with it. I am sure both of you learned a good lesson and will be more careful when you are in a similar situation again.



Sincerely,



Kevin


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Yang JS
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Let's stop the fight in this forum Mar 20, 2002

Irene Zhang published different text from Glossika sent me, it is not an address on the text they sent to me. Anyway, I will not respond to such kind of information in the future, because this is more than a forum discussion for me now. I will resort to other means to discuss the issue with Glossika.



Thank you all and some of you are so great people out there!


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Kevin Yang  Identity Verified
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I just receive this email. Let me share with you. Mar 20, 2002

-----Original Message-----

From: proz@proz.com [mailto:proz@proz.com] On Behalf Of translation@glossika.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 6:09 PM

To: tongli@TongliUSA.com

Subject: [ProZ mail] Frankly Speaking



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You have been sent a message via your ProZ.com page.

Author: Glossika

Author\'s profile: http://www.proz.com/translator/27033

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We could not guarantee his background when he lies. When he contacted us and told us that he\'d been to so many places and speaks English perfectly and had requested projects so many times...we should have known better he was trying to stir up trouble. For all we know, the way he lies, he could be a little child who likes to manipulate people.



Before he started any of our projects, our policies were posted in the emails and he could see that we would not pay if the translation was not of quality standard. He took it at his own risk and can consider it a practice run.



We don\'t really care what you guys are bickering about in this forum. We never posted anything without facts and proof (translations, texts, emails). He has never posted proof, all lies. We did not press him to do our translations, we have many others willing to do them. He was so eager to do them, but he screwed up. He only did one document for the NB website out of more than 100! We did not have these problems with any of the other translators. All he has to do is read our policy and understand that he is not going to get paid. He took the assignments at his own risk because we had to find somebody else to translate the materials.



This guy is like a bomb waiting to explode. He needs to see a psychiatrist before he accidentally goes out and kills somebody. He has called our offices yelling at our secretaries and they have no idea what he\'s talking about. This guy has mental problems. And nobody knows his background. He doesn\'t sound stable.



On the other hand, we have a stable and ethical business environment.



One other thing, we\'re not sure why you\'re the one controlling all of these conversations. Your face itself has popped up on quite a number of bad postings together with William Yang\'s writing so it\'s already quite obvious you are in cahoots with him. So I\'m sure a lot of people are wondering why you\'re together with him sharing his experience when you\'ve never done work for us. We cannot tell if you are lying. Good luck to you.



I hope you all have fun at that forum if it keeps you busy. Real translators will have their work to do and ignore your forums.



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Dear email sender and our translators:



I just received this email. It was sent to my personal email address. Now let me share it with you. By the way, sender, I do have a name. My name is Kevin Yang. What is your name, may I ask?



What kind of person you are or company you have should be judged by the others, not by yourself. You tried so hard to pain your eye brows, I think you tried too hard, now they look like two pieces of black tapes stuck on your forehead. I think this email from you tells me a lot about you as a person. When you do not know how to respect the others, you do not get respect back.



I am a proud American Chinese, and English is my second language. You are right, my English is not perfect, but my English is certainly better than you Chinese.



Relax, I am doing a volunteer job here as a moderator in the Chinese Forum. Sorry to hear my picture irritates you. I guess you have to live with it for a while.



I thought Taiwan is a beautiful island. But I do not see any beauty in your email. I wonder why?



Sincerely,



Kevin



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