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就是担心这个 Mar 28, 2011

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如果这家公司到时确实给我寄来缴税凭证,能证明这笔钱的去向,咱也无话可说。

怕只怕该公司到时侯自己随便编一个“缴税凭证”糊弄你。这年头,某一部分人为了先富起来,什么事情都干得出!

[Edited at 2011-03-16 06:49 GMT]

到目前为止,还拿不出证据证明人家有啥猫腻。如果有的话,岂不吃哑巴亏了?我一个朋友是做会计的,听说开个缴税证明只是分分钟的事。


 
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缴税证明 Mar 28, 2011

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到目前为止,还拿不出证据证明人家有啥猫腻。如果有的话,岂不吃哑巴亏了?我一个朋友是做会计的,听说开个缴税证明只是分分钟的事。

按理说,那家公司应同时向税务局提供此缴税证明。你在报税时可将此缴税证明的复印件报给税务局。这笔收入,你就不用再缴税了。如果那家公司侵吞了代扣的税款,那就让税务局去查他吧。


 
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No Enforcement Mar 28, 2011

ysun wrote:

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到目前为止,还拿不出证据证明人家有啥猫腻。如果有的话,岂不吃哑巴亏了?我一个朋友是做会计的,听说开个缴税证明只是分分钟的事。

按理说,那家公司应同时向税务局提供此缴税证明。你在报税时可将此缴税证明的复印件报给税务局。这笔收入,你就不用再缴税了。如果那家公司侵吞了代扣的税款,那就让税务局去查他吧。


依我看,似乎还是个人收入税务体制不健全。 付钱方愿扣就代扣一下,不愿扣就算了。事后,国家税务局方面、付钱方面、挣钱方面 均无对扣留的款项作任何交代或结算。

况且从以上众人的点点滴滴发言来看,似乎个人向国家报缴所得税也完全是靠自觉的。 年终不报税、不缴税的,税务局又奈他如何呢?

Sounds like the wild wild west to me. Might as well call this some kind of transaction tax or value added tax instead of an income tax.


[Edited at 2011-03-29 13:27 GMT]


 
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大概就是如此 Mar 28, 2011

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依我看,似乎还是个人收入税务体制不健全。 付钱方愿扣就代扣一下,不愿扣就算了。事后,国家税务局方面、付钱方面、挣钱方面 均无对扣留的款项作任何交代或结算。

况且从以上的的点点滴滴发言来看,似乎个人向国家报缴所得税也完全是靠自觉的。 年终不报税、不缴税的又奈他何呢?

Sounds like the wild wild west to me. Might as well call this some kind of transaction tax or value added tax instead of an income tax.

即使翻译公司以代扣名义把扣下的税款塞进私囊,估计税务局也无从得知。

从另一方面讲,税务局也无从得知一名自由译者一年的总收入有多少,无从得知他到底被人代扣了多少税。

[Edited at 2011-03-28 23:17 GMT]


 
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这话不假 Mar 29, 2011

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依我看,似乎还是个人收入税务体制不健全。 付钱方愿扣就代扣一下,不愿扣就算了。事后,国家税务局方面、付钱方面、挣钱方面 均无对扣留的款项作任何交代或结算。

况且从以上的的点点滴滴发言来看,似乎个人向国家报缴所得税也完全是靠自觉的。 年终不报税、不缴税的又奈他何呢?

Sounds like the wild wild west to me. Might as well call this some kind of transaction tax or value added tax instead of an income tax.

即使翻译公司以代扣名义把扣下的税款塞进私囊,估计税务局也无从得知。
从另一方面讲,税务局也无从得知一名自由译者一年的总收入有多少,无从得知他到底被人代扣了多少税。

[Edited at 2011-03-28 23:17 GMT]

目前的现状是,自由译者在线翻译,交稿后翻译公司将劳务费直接打到个人账户。双方如果不主动报税的话,税务部门也无从插手。目前对这种网上劳务交易还缺乏有效地监管,使翻译公司和自由译员都有机可乘。话说回来,就目前内地的那种翻译价格,经翻译公司层层盘剥后,再缴20%甚至更高的税,那翻译恐怕也做不下去了。现在和内地的公司合作可得要小心了,如果公司要代扣个人所得税,别忘了把价格提高点。


 
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可以理解 Mar 29, 2011

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话说回来,就目前内地的那种翻译价格,经翻译公司层层盘剥后,再缴20%甚至更高的税,那翻译恐怕也做不下去了。

政府应提高先富起来的那一部分人的税率,但降低‘另一部分人’的税率。


 
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法律体制和执行效率 Mar 30, 2011

wherestip wrote:

ysun wrote:

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到目前为止,还拿不出证据证明人家有啥猫腻。如果有的话,岂不吃哑巴亏了?我一个朋友是做会计的,听说开个缴税证明只是分分钟的事。

按理说,那家公司应同时向税务局提供此缴税证明。你在报税时可将此缴税证明的复印件报给税务局。这笔收入,你就不用再缴税了。如果那家公司侵吞了代扣的税款,那就让税务局去查他吧。


依我看,似乎还是个人收入税务体制不健全。 付钱方愿扣就代扣一下,不愿扣就算了。事后,国家税务局方面、付钱方面、挣钱方面 均无对扣留的款项作任何交代或结算。

况且从以上众人的点点滴滴发言来看,似乎个人向国家报缴所得税也完全是靠自觉的。 年终不报税、不缴税的,税务局又奈他如何呢?

Sounds like the wild wild west to me. Might as well call this some kind of transaction tax or value added tax instead of an income tax.


[Edited at 2011-03-29 13:27 GMT]

相关的法律和规定大概都是有的,关键是当事人怎么去执行,这里面涉及到方方面面的厉害关系和个人利益。从前段时间“我的爸爸是李刚”到现在的李刚陷害门事件,可以看出所谓的法律规章制度,在执行效率上是要打很大折扣的。执法人尚且如此,更不用说其他人了。


 
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Mock Justice Mar 30, 2011

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这里面涉及到方方面面的厉害关系和个人利益。从前段时间“我的爸爸是李刚”到现在的李刚陷害门事件,可以看出所谓的法律规章制度,在执行效率上是要打很大折扣的。执法人尚且如此,更不用说其他人了。



http://www.hudong.com/wiki/李刚陷害门

Looked the case up. All I can say is what a mess, and what a kangaroo court!


 
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克扣 Apr 14, 2011

名为“代扣”,实为“克扣”。

 
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确实不该再克扣你们的了 Apr 19, 2011

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名为“代扣”,实为“克扣”。


应该狠狠地扣一扣“和珅”及其“先富起来”的儿孙们(if any)。“和珅跌倒,嘉庆吃饱”!

《世界各国税负大比拼 中国人一年为税工作161天》
http://news.xinhuanet.com/world/2011-04/18/c_121318891.htm


 
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大和珅和小和珅 Apr 19, 2011

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名为“代扣”,实为“克扣”。


应该狠狠地扣一扣“和珅”及其“先富起来”的儿孙们(if any)。“和珅跌倒,嘉庆吃饱”!

《世界各国税负大比拼 中国人一年为税工作161天》
http://news.xinhuanet.com/world/2011-04/18/c_121318891.htm

提起和珅我就恨得牙痒痒,大和珅没有碰到过,要我是皇帝,我就赐他八辈祖宗的根基上交国库,发配到西藏去开荒种青稞,然后八辈儿孙不得当公务员,全部到农村种庄稼打工!
小和珅倒是见过很多,都一个德性,没啥本事,溜须拍马却很有一套,千方百计吃官银占便宜。而且地方越小越穷,这样的人就越多。


 
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Income tax and outcome Apr 22, 2011

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发配到西藏去开荒种青稞,然后八辈儿孙不得当公务员,全部到农村种庄稼打工!

按理说,纳税是每个公民应尽的义务。但怕就怕缴纳的银子不是真正进了国库,或即使是进了国库,最后又进了大小“和珅”的腰包。据统计,近年来就有数以万计的大小“和珅”及其家眷卷了巨额官银后,自我“发配”到了那些比西藏远得多的“香格里拉”。老百姓心中有气则情有可原。

http://club.autohome.com.cn/bbs/thread-c-496-10105392-1.html


 
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Tax Rates Apr 22, 2011



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卢森堡:负率为37%,纳税人为税工作135天

冰岛:税负率为32%,纳税人为税工作117天

美国:税负率为27%,纳税人为税工作99天




Yueyin,

I'm not sure how that Chinese article derived at the mere 27 percent tax burden an average American is subjected to. It could be that the author was using selective data to fit his argument.

As you and I both know, a middle-class family's tax burden is a lot more than that. According to the following study, even when looked at from across the spectrum of all income tax brackets, the real overall tax rate is more like 40%.




http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/Advice/YourRealTaxRate40.aspx

Your real tax rate: 40%

Income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, Social Security and Medicare taxes, 'sin' taxes and the rest add up to a virtual flat tax nationwide.


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Politicians talk this way because they generally talk about only one tax: the federal income tax, which offers graduated rates from 10% to 35%.

Politicians rarely talk about what real people experience: the true maze of taxes and government benefits. If someone put them all together, we could see what our actual tax burden was. We could see who pays at the highest or lowest rates. Discussions of tax policy wouldn't be a waste of time.

Well, two researchers did it.

In a study for the National Bureau of Economic Research, Boston University economists Laurence J. Kotlikoff and David Rapson have found that our all-in marginal tax rate is 40%, give or take a bit.

Yes, you read that right: 40%.

Most workers will pay about that much on each dollar of income when all taxes -- federal and state income taxes, sales taxes, taxes for benefit programs, etc. -- are considered.

As a consequence, a 30-year-old couple earning only $20,000 a year has a marginal tax rate of 42.5%, while a 45-year-old couple earning $500,000 pays at 43.2%. There are some exceptions: A 30-year-old couple earning $50,000 a year, for instance, pays 24.4%, and a 60-year-old couple making $150,000 a year faces a tax rate of 47.7%.





[Edited at 2011-04-23 00:26 GMT]


 
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A post from the past Apr 22, 2011

http://www.proz.com/post/1045769#1045769



wherestip wrote:

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又比方说, Video Games 一般刚出来要卖 $60. 过一两年后只不过 $20 左右. 但美国的生活水平不能光从这种娱乐消费品衡量. 最主要的开支还是 衣食住行和教育、医疗之类. 对 middle income families 来讲, 各种各样的 taxes 加起来要占每年收入的很大比例, 并不见得比西欧低.





[Edited at 2011-04-22 19:53 GMT]


 
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Misinterpretation of Tax Freedom Day by the Media Apr 22, 2011

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day



Tax Freedom Day is the first day of the year in which a nation as a whole has theoretically earned enough income to fund its annual tax burden. It is annually calculated in the United States by the Tax Foundation—a Washington, D.C.-based tax research organization. Every dollar that is officially considered income by the government is counted, and every payment to the government that is officially considered a tax is counted. Taxes at all levels of government—local, state and federal—are included.

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The Tax Foundation defends its methodology by pointing out that Tax Freedom Day is the U.S. economy's overall average tax burden—not the tax burden of the "average" American, which is how it is often misinterpreted by members of the media.[26] Tax Foundation materials do not use the phrase "tax burden of the average American", although members of the media often make this mistake.



There's a huge difference between "the U.S. economy's overall average tax burden" and "the tax burden of the 'average' American". It was recently reported that 45% of American households did not owe any federal income taxes for 2010. For 2009, that percentage was 47%.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/14/pf/taxes/who_pays_income_taxes/index.htm


And lest we forget, in the recent national spotlight, General Electric's 2010 IRS tax bill was revealed to be a whopping $0.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric

Recent Controversies

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In March 2011, The New York Times reported that despite earning $14.2 billion in worldwide profits, including more than $5 billion from U.S. operations, General Electric did not owe taxes in 2010. General Electric had a tax benefit of $3.2 billion. This same article also pointed out that despite their continually diminishing tax liability since the 1990's, GE has laid off one-fifth of their American workers since 2002. [39]




Meanwhile, we have a national debt level of $14 trillion and growing. But who's counting?



[Edited at 2011-04-23 00:36 GMT]


 
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