| Pages in topic: < [1 2] | 请教新加坡的翻译同仁一个问题 Thread poster: Han Li
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pkchan 
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文哲兄﹕拜讀兄帖，每每獲益非淺。有人會說美式英語是 A CORRUPTED FORM OF THE BRITISH ENGLISH， 這當然是WEBSTER 的傑作，這種刻意地把語言邊沿化，與母體割裂開來的作法，成功地創造了不少新的詞彙，但不見得英美的思維方法式有什麼巨大的分野。同樣，水有源、樹有根，在這裡的孩子多吃了些漢堡、沙拉、意大利薄餅，但仍用筷子吃飯，十分起勁。忠孝信節是薄了，禮義廉恥尚知，要解釋的是，家庭教育是很要緊的，堅持在家中講廣東話亦是原因之一，當然，與他們談起籃球、棒球或足球，英語還是派用場，但說到姚明，更是眉飛色舞，誰不願做中國人，當然，在法律上他們已不再是中國人、中國政府亦不承認他們是中國人，這又是另一回事。話轉回來，是語言=>思維=>語言，還是思維=>語言 =>思維(=>表示﹕發展)，不知新加坡人的看法又是怎樣。母親節快到了，家母正是在新加坡出生的，祝大家國際母親節快樂！pkchan
| | | | #41698 (LSF)
Malaysia
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| Practicalities limit availibility in 4 languages | May 5, 2006 |
weiwei wrote: English is definitely the main language. However, some important information can be found in Chinese, Tamil and Malay too. Imagine a SARS health brochure in four text column - English, Tamil, Chinese and Malay....  Don't know if this is also of interest to you, but customer service at most governmental organisations also come in these four languages. You call a service hotline, and it will prompt you for the language you prefer. On MRTs, the annoucements are also made in four languages. Denyce
Correct.
Because Singapore is a young country (came into being in 1965), the ability of the older generation in using English is rather uneven and limited.
Government pamphlets with regard to popular issues such as CPF (get-back-what-you-paid type of pension system) are likely to be available in all four official languages, and some major banks' ATMs allow selection of languages.
But sometimes the limit of practicalities steps in. For example, in the MRT system (transit trains in Singapore)[majority of Singaporeans take public transportation with schemes such as petrol taxes, road pricing, car sales tax, auction style car purchase permits to limit private vehicle ownership], the announcements in all four languages are only made in trains when approaching the interchange stations.
And, the islandwide air-raid siren [sounded each year at noon on the day Singapore fell to Japan during World War II] uses tone differentiation rather than announcements in words (time would not allow this in an emergency).
But then where else in the world can you find government hotlines available in four languages(as Denyce said)?
[Edited at 2006-05-05 16:05]
| | | | Wenjer Leuschel (X)
Taiwan
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pkchan wrote:
是語言=>思維=>語言
還是思維=>語言 =>思維(=>表示﹕發展)
類似這樣的問題 Ludwig Wittgenstein 在他的《哲學筆記》裡提問過：孩童是先會思想才會說話呢？還是先會說話才會思想？
看起來好像又是另一個「蛋生雞、雞生蛋」的問題，其實只要仔細想想，人人應該有自己的答案。最簡單的辦法是先給自己解答：我做思想的時候只使用語言嗎？
[Edited at 2006-05-06 03:18]
| | | | #41698 (LSF)
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| Deja vu - 東方的瑞士 | May 7, 2006 |
Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
對於新加坡，我總是懷著羨慕和敬佩的心情，因為你們可以是中國和馬來西亞、印度及印尼的朋友，還可以有三種國家語文，能夠包容那麼多不同的民族在一個國家裡不起衝突。前者是值得羨慕的，後者是值得敬佩的。
可惜，台灣沒有那種命運，誰打敗仗就可以賣掉她，誰打勝仗就可以蹂躪她。二十年前，我向今日在台灣政界的友人提到瑞士的形成，期望台灣有一天成為那樣的國家，當時竟然沒有想到，新加坡更像是東方的瑞士。
你們值得羨慕、值得敬佩！台灣人則只讓我感到無盡的悲哀，因為他們夾在國際勢力之間，怎麼做都要遭受修理，連那些歸化為外國人的華人都想不到如何同情他們。
"Switzerland of Asia" was one of the slogans thrown up by government leaders in Singapore in the 1990s. But this did not refer to the multicultural and multilingual atmosphere in Switzerland. The aim was for Singapore to reach Switzerland's standard of living (among the highest in Europe).
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Wenjer Leuschel (X)
Taiwan
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Lew Shiong Fong wrote: Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
對於新加坡，我總是懷著羨慕和敬佩的心情，因為你們可以是中國和馬來西亞、印度及印尼的朋友，還可以有三種國家語文，能夠包容那麼多不同的民族在一個國家裡不起衝突。前者是值得羨慕的，後者是值得敬佩的。
可惜，台灣沒有那種命運，誰打敗仗就可以賣掉她，誰打勝仗就可以蹂躪她。二十年前，我向今日在台灣政界的友人提到瑞士的形成，期望台灣有一天成為那樣的國家，當時竟然沒有想到，新加坡更像是東方的瑞士。
你們值得羨慕、值得敬佩！台灣人則只讓我感到無盡的悲哀，因為他們夾在國際勢力之間，怎麼做都要遭受修理，連那些歸化為外國人的華人都想不到如何同情他們。
"Switzerland of Asia" was one of the slogans thrown up by government leaders in Singapore in the 1990s. But this did not refer to the multicultural and multilingual atmosphere in Switzerland. The aim was for Singapore to reach Switzerland's standard of living (among the highest in Europe).
Right, I learned it from the slogans of your government. The aim is only achievable when the multi atmosphere can be sustained. And it is the same vision we have in mind.
[Edited at 2006-05-08 04:44]
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