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各位翻译同仁,想请教是否知道技术好又可以信赖的植牙专家(Implant Dentist),网上查找时,铺天盖地都是做广告的,没有什么针对消费者的,好像每个诊所都是最好的。不知在美国或中国的同仁是否有这方面的可靠信息?我现在找到的有Havard Dental Centre,北京大学附属口腔医院的种植中心,和上海九院口腔中心。

衷心感谢!

Dear Fellow translators, by any chance you know of some good tooth implantation dentists (in US or China)? I tried to search on-line but the results were only focused on promoting implantation by the clinics, nothing was from patient's point of view. So far I have located Harvard Dental Centre, Beijing University School of Stomatology's Center of Implant Dentistry and Shanghai Jiaotong University's No.9 Hospital. Any thought or suggestion on this is really welcomed!

Thanks in advance!


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安妮口腔医疗中心 Jun 9, 2007

这家是杭州的,我母亲去那里镶过牙,觉得挺好的。我刚才打电话问他们做不做植牙,他们说做的。

这家是私人(安妮)办的。安妮在美国读过牙科。

http://www.kq88.com/job/com.asp?uid=anck

[Edited at 2007-06-09 01:11]


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北京大学附属口腔医院挺有名的 Jun 9, 2007

这家在口腔方面名声非常好。不过有些高要求的治疗需求找他们需要排长队约诊。我过去有朋友找他们矫正要排几个月的队,现在情况不了解。当然小病比较快,因为小医生(其实他们的小医生也都不错的)就能做,有一次我牙疼,去那儿立即就搞定了。

植牙估计也不错吧,毕竟技术上是类似的。

[Edited at 2007-06-09 02:43]


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多谢! Jun 12, 2007

Zhoudan wrote:

这家是杭州的,我母亲去那里镶过牙,觉得挺好的。我刚才打电话问他们做不做植牙,他们说做的。

这家是私人(安妮)办的。安妮在美国读过牙科。

http://www.kq88.com/job/com.asp?uid=anck

[Edited at 2007-06-09 01:11]


周丹,谢谢你特意帮我打电话询问。如果你母亲觉得这家诊所不错,我会多做点调查的。真的很感谢!

植牙是一种相对比较新的技术,主要是可以减慢或防止牙床骨因为缺牙(牙龈问题)而吸收,导致牙床骨变形,影响邻近的健康牙。


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谢谢了! Jun 12, 2007

lbone wrote:

这家在口腔方面名声非常好。不过有些高要求的治疗需求找他们需要排长队约诊。我过去有朋友找他们矫正要排几个月的队,现在情况不了解。当然小病比较快,因为小医生(其实他们的小医生也都不错的)就能做,有一次我牙疼,去那儿立即就搞定了。

植牙估计也不错吧,毕竟技术上是类似的。

[Edited at 2007-06-09 02:43]


Ibone,从他们的网站上,我就觉得这家医院很不错,但是没有亲身经历总是有点不放心。他们有专门的种植中心,专门针对植牙的。你这么一说,应该是一个好选择。多谢了!


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植牙 Jun 12, 2007

Hanyi,

Here in the U.S., this procedure has become pretty much routine for oral & maxillofacial surgeons. You could get it done in any medium to large size U.S. city. It is still quite expensive though -- it runs about $3000 ~ $5000 for just one dental implant.

I had a few dental implants done several months ago right here in Austin. The oral surgeon was recommended by my dentist. Both are very competent in their fields, and expensive too. Like most things, you pay for what you get.

The surgery was a cinch though. At first I was apprehensive about the anesthesia, but it turned out to be no big deal. At my request, the surgeon didn't put me entirely under. So I drifted in and out during the procedure, and woke up right away when he got done (I say he, but there were actually several assistants). A few months from now the dentist does his part of installing the crowns, which is another huge expense. Most people don't bother with dental implants because of the high cost. But like you said, it's worth the money as far as one's dental health and quality of life are concerned.


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这家的口腔在国内是顶尖的 Jun 12, 2007

北京大学附属口腔医院:
这家的口腔医术在国内是顶尖的,即使不是第一,也不会出前三。

它的背后是北京大学医学院(原来的北京医科大学)。而北京医科大学本身就是国内医科方面的顶尖学府(协和水平也高,但规模太小)。

美国应该也有很好的口腔方面的医院,不过美国的情况我就不了解了。

Hanyi Magnusson wrote:

lbone wrote:

这家在口腔方面名声非常好。不过有些高要求的治疗需求找他们需要排长队约诊。我过去有朋友找他们矫正要排几个月的队,现在情况不了解。当然小病比较快,因为小医生(其实他们的小医生也都不错的)就能做,有一次我牙疼,去那儿立即就搞定了。

植牙估计也不错吧,毕竟技术上是类似的。

[Edited at 2007-06-09 02:43]


Ibone,从他们的网站上,我就觉得这家医院很不错,但是没有亲身经历总是有点不放心。他们有专门的种植中心,专门针对植牙的。你这么一说,应该是一个好选择。多谢了!


[Edited at 2007-06-12 15:31]


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Thanks, wherestip! Jun 12, 2007

wherestip wrote:

Hanyi,

Here in the U.S., this procedure has become pretty much routine for oral & maxillofacial surgeons. You could get it done in any medium to large size U.S. city. It is still quite expensive though -- it runs about $3000 ~ $5000 for just one dental implant.

I had a few dental implants done several months ago right here in Austin. The oral surgeon was recommended by my dentist. Both are very competent in their fields, and expensive too. Like most things, you pay for what you get.

The surgery was a cinch though. At first I was apprehensive about the anesthesia, but it turned out to be no big deal. At my request, the surgeon didn't put me entirely under. So I drifted in and out during the procedure, and woke up right away when he got done (I say he, but there were actually several assistants). A few months from now the dentist does his part of installing the crowns, which is another huge expense. Most people don't bother with dental implants because of the high cost. But like you said, it's worth the money as far as one's dental health and quality of life are concerned.



Steve, thank you for sharing this information with me, really appreciated!

I don't know if you also have to do a bone grafting, which is to grow some extra bone to support the implant. Especially in upper jaw under the sinus, the bone structure is rather weak. Bone grafting itself is quite a procedure.

It is really good to know that implantation is quite a routine practice in major cities in US now, would you say that I can safely go with any online resources to choose a surgeon? How is the difference amongst dental hospital, dental medical school's dental centre and private practices in general? For example, in UK, at least in London, you almost will never get proper attention in big hospitals, GP under national health insurance or even teaching hospitals, you will have to go private to get proper treatment. Would that be the same case in US?

From the place we are living now, go to US to get medical treatment is much easier than to go to Europe or China. I have to check out if there is a direct flight from Bermuda to Austin, apparently one cannot fly after the operation for ten days. I am thinking about Boston or New York where there is a direct flight and possibly can stay for ten days.

In terms of the cost, it is really expensive. We got a quote in London, private practice on Harley street, £5000 including bone grafting for one implantation. Then you will have to travel numerous time to UK during the length of 18 months, and stay in hotel in London, etc. Scary thing to think about.

The annoy thing is that you cannot find any good survey on the outcome of implantation. Articles found online a rather dated and always had some very negative aspects.

But I guess at least your personal experience so far is good, I think I should not worry too much and should focus on finding good surgeon, periodontist or prosthodontist...


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Sounds like the U. S. is cheaper than the U. K. Jun 12, 2007

You're welcome, Hanyi.

Yes, the bone grafting procedure was explained to me in detail. It's usually done for upper jaw implants where sometimes there's not enough bone. I was told it involves a sinus lift, which sounded a bit too invasive to me; so I played my own doctor and refused to do it. Instead I opted for an extra implant (8mm?) adjacent to the one with the shorter length (4mm). The cost of the extra implant was pretty much a wash with that of the sinus lift procedure I avoided.

Here in the U.S., private dental practices are the norm. I would say they are just as good, if not better, than big hospitals. You don't necessarily have to go to big cities like New York City or Boston either. All you need is a good referral to a competent oral surgeon. Considering where you are, someone living along the east coast of the U.S. might be able to recommend a good oral surgeon who does dental implants.

Austin, TX is kind of out of the way for you, otherwise I would definitely recommend my oral surgeon. If you don't mind the extra miles, you, Yueyin, and I could also have a 3-person powwow when time comes



[Edited at 2007-06-12 18:18]


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With the ex-rate almost £1=$2 Jun 12, 2007

wherestip wrote:

I was told it involves a sinus lift, which sounded a bit too invasive to me; so I played my own doctor and refused to do it. Instead I opted for an extra implant (8mm?) adjacent to the one with the shorter length (4mm).

Austin, TX is kind of out of the way for you, otherwise I would definitely recommend my oral surgeon. If you don't mind the extra miles, you, Yueyin, and I could also have a 3-person powwow when time comes



[Edited at 2007-06-12 18:18]

I think consuming price in US is indeed cheaper than UK.

Interesting point, Steve, how did you manage to convince your doctor not to 'sinus lift' you? The one we consultated (the implantation is for my hubby) insisted that had to be done. My husband needed a single implantation in the upper back jaw. What do you mean by your alternative--an extra short one, you mean you had two implants instead of one to avoid the sinus lift?--why would that be an alternative solution?

Well, I almost love Powwow, it will be fun if we can do it alongside a painful implantation trip. Yueyin had talked about cruise a ship over to Bermuda for this...

Thanks again,


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Hanyi Magnusson wrote:

Interesting point, Steve, how did you manage to convince your doctor not to 'sinus lift' you? The one we consultated (the implantation is for my hubby) insisted that had to be done. My husband needed a single implantation in the upper back jaw. What do you mean by your alternative--an extra short one, you mean you had two implants instead of one to avoid the sinus lift?--why would that be an alternative solution?



I was hoping not having to get so clinical

Anyway, I had a failed bridge in the back of my upper jaw, three teeth in a row were missing. So the natural solution - and the cheaper one - was to have 2 implants with a space left in between that would eventually be loaded with a new bridge. Instead I had all three implants put in with the shortest one at the end being only 4mm long. The idea was the other 2 were going to be sturdy enough to carry the third.

Your husband's situation sounds different. If it's only one tooth missing and the bone is not sufficient for an implant of sufficient length, he probably would indeed need a sinus lift.

Of course, you know how much my opinion is worth on this


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什麼叫好的專家﹖很難講的 Jun 12, 2007

我覺得最好的辦法還是上網SEARCH。然後憑自己的感覺。 別人的經歷只是個案而已﹐ 未必有多大參考價值。

通常來說﹐ 美國的牙醫﹐只要specialize在你需要的領域里﹐技術水平說不上熟優熟劣﹐ 都差不多的。

[Edited at 2007-06-12 19:58]


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可以信赖的 Jun 12, 2007

jyuan_us wrote:


我覺得最好的辦法還是上網SEARCH。然後憑自己的感覺。 別人的經歷只是個案而已﹐ 未必有多大參考價值。

通常來說﹐ 美國的牙醫﹐只要specialize在你需要的領域里﹐技術水平說不上熟優熟劣﹐ 都差不多的。

[Edited at 2007-06-12 19:58]


我想"好的医生”应该不是很难定义吧,我们通常都会询问某某医生的医道如何。在网上是找到了不少,问题就在于找到了那么多,都是说自己好的(不可能说自己是一般的)。就这个植牙来说,很多牙医都敢Claim他/她能做植牙,但是要找到真正有经验和技术的,并且是Prosthodontist的,也还不是那么容易。即使是在同一个领域的,水平相差也可能很大。我知道这个问题是‘很难讲的’,正是因为如此,我才把这个和翻译无甚关系的问题拿来请教大家,目的就是也许大家在日常生活中,有个人经验,可以给我做个参照。周丹,Ibone和wherestip都给了我很好的提示。


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I see, we shall stop right here than, Jun 12, 2007

wherestip wrote:

I was hoping not having to get so clinical



Thanks for the explaination. I think you probably made the right choice. Sinus lifting can be dangerous when you think about it. Indeed my hubby's case is different, the doctor in London seemed quite determined to do a bone grafting. That is why I am thinking of seeking a second opinion.

Have a nice evening!


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Hanyi,

Here are 2 links that you might find useful ...

http://www.aaoms.org/

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/dentalchoose.html


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