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Jianjun Zhang  Identity Verified
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This interesting movie was sent to my box by my client. It's a little long but absolutely worth watching. Buffaloes, crocodiles and lions, who wins the last battle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM



[Edited at 2007-08-06 02:25]


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Can you say 纸老虎? Jun 15, 2007

Amazing. That lion that got tossed into the air must have sustained some serious injuries.

You hear about people getting gored or trampled to death in the annual running of the bulls in Spain -- It's just crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONZtJyOY6j0&mode=related&search=


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breath-taking battle for life Jun 15, 2007

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

Buffaloes, crocodiles and lions, who wins the last battle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM


It's always such a vivid reminder for human that nature is full of survival instinct. Those lions seemed young and in-experienced--they really should have not messed up with buffaloes (especially in a big hurd). A grown-up baffaloe is a serious matter in Africa apparently, I heard it is the second most dangerous animal just after rhino to tourists. I suspect those lions will continue to follow the baffalo herd until the injured young one fall behind again.

Big cats are one of my favourite, on the contrast, crocodile is one of the least.

I always heard that Kruger National Park in South Africa is a great place to see animal, but I never thought you can have such a close encounter, thrilling.


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Gegen Torheit ist keine Kraut gewachsen. Jun 15, 2007

wherestip wrote:

Amazing. That lion that got tossed into the air must have sustained some serious injuries.


When hunger is greater than fear, injuries do not mean anything at all. However, I am amazed that buffaloes have such communication skills to summon up the herd for the protection of their youngs. So far I know, they would form a circle and put their youngs in the middle when they sense danger. Such intelligence shown in the video seems to be staged.

wherestip wrote:

You hear about people getting gored or trampled to death in the annual running of the bulls in Spain -- It's just crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONZtJyOY6j0&mode=related&search=


Well, what happens with the Spanish bull running is some kind of religion. There isn't any herb against religious zeal anyway, like the Germans would say: Gegen Torheit ist keine Kraut gewachsen. (There isn't any herb grown against stupidity.)


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Shaunna  Identity Verified
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Incredible (Spoiler Alert!!) Jun 15, 2007

I was a little upset when the parent buffaloes didn't do anything and just left when it all started. I am so glad I was wrong. Thrilled to see the calf was still alive. Wonder whether he will survive though.

Obviously buffaloes are not meat-eaters-- they just chased the predators out and left them alone.

Thank you Jianjun for bringing it here. This is truly incredible.


Jianjun Zhang wrote:

This interesting movie was sent to my box by my client. It's a little long but absolutely worth watching. Buffaloes, crocodiles and lions, who wins the last battle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM


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Jianjun Zhang  Identity Verified
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Another example... Jul 18, 2007

These animals prove themselves great strategists in times of danger.

Who would expect a horse could do this to a lion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6NyQSHTVOU (this is the right link, old link deleted.)

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Tibetan funerals Jul 18, 2007



Jianjun,

Are you sure this is the right link you intended? What I got was a funeral ritual performed by Tibetan monks.


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我不喜歡這個題目,因為+但是 Jul 18, 2007

中國人說﹕怨怨相報何時了
又有﹕君子報仇,十年未晚;有仇不報非君子
更有﹕以直報怨, 以德報怨
還有,有怨報怨,有仇報仇
儒家講忠恕之道﹕己欲立而立人, 己欲达而达人, 已所不欲, 勿施于人
Mahatma Gandhi: An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
聖經﹕If anyone slaps you on your right cheek, let him slap your left as well.
有說﹕takes you to court to sue you for your shirt, let him have your coat too.

我說﹕君子要報仇,小人要報仇,君子與小人有何分別。強者要報仇,弱者要報仇,強者與弱者亦無分別。若報仇是小人的行為,君子又為何一定要報仇,才能表示自己是君子呢?強者要報仇不甘示弱,弱者報仇才值得喝采、歌頌嗎!看來仇恨、怨懟還有很大的發展空間,這是人性的墮落,道德不彰。

其他宗教與哲學又怎樣說,很想知道。



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有仇不報才是君子 Jul 18, 2007

Agree. It takes a lot to do that.

Lots of KudoZ points to pk for the comments above.


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This KudoZ question is not for points Jul 18, 2007

David 有何新作、舊調重彈,請登,請說。自從文哲兄倦勤後,總覺得這裡變得冷冷清清,希望這只是暫時現象,況且CHANCE大姐,貝姨又不再來,總覺得有點傷感。謬論多發,撩事鬥非,目的是尋個熱鬧。其實手中還有40頁稿子,錢已袋袋平安,惟交稿限期已過,亦無心戀戰。先錢後貨,那會有這樣的免費午餐,是有的,因為他們要用清BUDGET,否則下年便會削減,錢用不完就給我先用,這是合約譯人的好處。在這弱肉強食、報仇雪恨森林規律的社會,是一股清流,我又怎能不珍惜呢!

David Shen wrote:

Agree. It takes a lot to do that.

Lots of KudoZ points to pk for the comments above.






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Jianjun Zhang  Identity Verified
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Sorry, wrong link... Jul 18, 2007

Must have mixed the link up when I clicked on "related" after viewing the following one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6NyQSHTVOU

wherestip wrote:
Jianjun,

Are you sure this is the right link you intended? What I got was a funeral ritual performed by Tibetan monks.


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动物与人 Jul 19, 2007

PK 叔,

看了你和 David 兄的话,我又研究了自己的标题和录像内容,看是否合适,改为 Self-defence of the weak 又觉不妥。因为那水牛在救出了自己的幼崽后,确有报复狮子的意味。如果说保护幼崽是热血动物的一般行为,报复行为在弱势 VS 强势动物的情况下则不多见。

另外,大叔感叹的报仇、报怨、君子、小人等,在动物界是没有的。想来想去,题目还是不改。这是个 Off-topic 贴,大家娱乐而已,不用认真的。

建军

pkchan wrote:

中國人說﹕怨怨相報何時了
又有﹕君子報仇,十年未晚;有仇不報非君子
更有﹕以直報怨, 以德報怨
還有,有怨報怨,有仇報仇
儒家講忠恕之道﹕己欲立而立人, 己欲达而达人, 已所不欲, 勿施于人
Mahatma Gandhi: An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
聖經﹕If anyone slaps you on your right cheek, let him slap your left as well.
有說﹕takes you to court to sue you for your shirt, let him have your coat too.

我說﹕君子要報仇,小人要報仇,君子與小人有何分別。強者要報仇,弱者要報仇,強者與弱者亦無分別。若報仇是小人的行為,君子又為何一定要報仇,才能表示自己是君子呢?強者要報仇不甘示弱,弱者報仇才值得喝采、歌頌嗎!看來仇恨、怨懟還有很大的發展空間,這是人性的墮落,道德不彰。

其他宗教與哲學又怎樣說,很想知道。



[Edited at 2007-07-18 14:23]


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人有七情六慾 Jul 19, 2007

但是,不知怎樣把『報仇雪恨』去歸類,這個既不是七情,又不屬六慾,卻明顯地是人類的思想行為,因無以名之,便借手一推,算進森林規律中去,況影片就是在講動物嘛。莎翁名劇HAMLET硬要翻譯成『王子復仇記』,看來報仇是有中國的特色,有仇不報,時辰未到,為父報仇,報一箭之仇,有仇不報,誓不為人等等都是很中國的的概念,言則西方就沒有嗎,亦不見得。我要問的是,除了報仇之外,有沒有其他的OPTIONS呢,動物可能是沒有,人總是聰明得多,會想出比較文明的辦法,去解決仇恨這個問題。算喇,講到此,如果DAVID有興趣,可以繼續下去。

[Edited at 2007-07-19 02:02]


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没觉得那些buffalo报复 Jul 19, 2007

我看的时候还一直盼着buffalo更有攻击性,真正围攻或者把哪个狮子扔水里去(是title里那个revenge给我暗示的)。结果buffalo真是绝对草食动物啊,只管把狮子赶走,多一点没伤它们,防卫一点都不过当。
要我觉得真是报复,就该顶一两个到水里去,再挑伤一两个啥的。这些buffalo没有嘛,只是那些狮子赖着不走,他们才挑了追了,追走了就算了,纯粹只是为了小牛的安全,我真没看到报复。

再想想有动物报复的例子吗?很久以前在读者文摘还是什么地方见过狗替主人报仇的故事,如果是真的,那也算报复了。只是狗已经不能算单纯的动物了。

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

PK 叔,

看了你和 David 兄的话,我又研究了自己的标题和录像内容,看是否合适,改为 Self-defence of the weak 又觉不妥。因为那水牛在救出了自己的幼崽后,确有报复狮子的意味。如果说保护幼崽是热血动物的一般行为,报复行为在弱势 VS 强势动物的情况下则不多见。



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Revenge ... of the weak Jul 19, 2007

食草动物的报复,也只能如此了,一般他们只会跑,被捉住,吃掉,如今竟可以追逐狮子,用角挑起狮子!想想看,这已经是很大的勇气,所以那题目叫做 Revenge... 但是 of the weak

当然,Revenge 一词在不同的人看来,解释亦不同。这样的玩笑题目,认真不得。如果我看到一只猫咪对着镜子乱抓的视频,觉得有趣,贴过来,分别用以下题目:

一只猫对着镜子乱抓
一只傻猫
跳舞的猫咪
八戒照镜子
小猫照镜子

Shaunna 觉得哪个题目更贴切,但哪个题目更吸引人的眼球呢?



Shaunna wrote:

我看的时候还一直盼着buffalo更有攻击性,真正围攻或者把哪个狮子扔水里去(是title里那个revenge给我暗示的)。结果buffalo真是绝对草食动物啊,只管把狮子赶走,多一点没伤它们,防卫一点都不过当。
要我觉得真是报复,就该顶一两个到水里去,再挑伤一两个啥的。这些buffalo没有嘛,只是那些狮子赖着不走,他们才挑了追了,追走了就算了,纯粹只是为了小牛的安全,我真没看到报复。

再想想有动物报复的例子吗?很久以前在读者文摘还是什么地方见过狗替主人报仇的故事,如果是真的,那也算报复了。只是狗已经不能算单纯的动物了。

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

PK 叔,

看了你和 David 兄的话,我又研究了自己的标题和录像内容,看是否合适,改为 Self-defence of the weak 又觉不妥。因为那水牛在救出了自己的幼崽后,确有报复狮子的意味。如果说保护幼崽是热血动物的一般行为,报复行为在弱势 VS 强势动物的情况下则不多见。



[Edited at 2007-07-19 02:37]


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