Need help to understand how DeepMiner works with Google Translate
Bjørnar Magnussen Norway Local time: 06:16 Member (2002) English to Norwegian + ...
Jan 11
Dear advanced Deja Vu users
I read the following on Atril's web page, which prompted me to download a trial version of Deja Vu:
"You can activate Google Translate on three different levels: Pretranslation, Assembling and specific segments in the translation grid. Thus it allows you to set DeepMiner to query MT systems including Google Translate for portions it does not find in your databases, extending its unprecedented ability to generate usable full translations even when it finds partial or no matches in your databases."
Then I did the following experiement:
Source text: If you enter your card details for the first time
GT: Hvis du skriver inn kortdetaljer for første gang
Termbase: card details = TEST
In my theory, this should produce something like:
DeepMiner: "Hvis du skriver inn TEST for første gang"
However, there's no way I can get this or anything like it no matter how much I play with the settings. Did I misunderstand how DeepMiner works with Google Translate?
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Thanks for your answer. I don't find any information on how DeepMiner works with Google Translate in the video. Why do you think this video would be helpful?
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Grzegorz Gryc Poland Local time: 06:16 French to Polish + ...
Yes an no...
Jan 11
Bjørnar Magnussen wrote:
I read the following on Atril's web page, which prompted me to download a trial version of Deja Vu:
"You can activate Google Translate on three different levels: Pretranslation, Assembling and specific segments in the translation grid. Thus it allows you to set DeepMiner to query MT systems including Google Translate for portions it does not find in your databases, extending its unprecedented ability to generate usable full translations even when it finds partial or no matches in your databases."
In theory, it's right but, IMO, DeepMiner is still at some beta stage.
I.e. it's very promising, really good for AutoWrite (i.e., translating to Trados dialect, AutoSuggest) but the Assemble is often poor.
Then I did the following experiement:
Source text: If you enter your card details for the first time
GT: Hvis du skriver inn kortdetaljer for første gang
Termbase: card details = TEST
In my theory, this should produce something like:
DeepMiner: "Hvis du skriver inn TEST for første gang"
However, there's no way I can get this or anything like it no matter how much I play with the settings.
In this case, i would use simply AutoAssemble without DeepMiner.
It should give better results if a similar sentence is found in the TM.
You can also simply hit Ctrl+G, then go to TEST, it's likely you'll get TEST from AutoWrite.
Did I misunderstand how DeepMiner works with Google Translate?
For a moment, forget it.
I.e. I like it a lot because it throws me a lot a "riddles" from my old translations but the real results may be dubious.
PS
Provide us some Norvegian target example from GT... some of us will be able to understand some chunks...
Try to ask the same question at dejavu-l@yahoogroups.com
You'll spot there some skilled Scandinavian guys...
Catspeed
GG
[Edited at 2012-01-11 18:28 GMT]
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Svein Hartwig Djaerff Norway Local time: 06:16 Member (2008) English to Norwegian + ...
Have the DV support people answer this question HERE
Jan 21
Hi Bjørnar,
I think this question is extremely interesting, and think you should contact DV support and provide them with the link to this question and URL, so that they can give a better explanation of this issue here. If it really works like you assume, Bjørnar, this is really ground braking technology, which would take DV further steps ahead of Trados Studio. But already DeepMiner is really cutting edge, exploring our previous translations automatically, saving a lot of work.
And I think the answer to this would be very interesting for all of us using DV, boosting our productivity.
Regards
S. H. Djaerff
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Bjørnar Magnussen wrote:
Dear advanced Deja Vu users
I'm not an advanced user. In fact, I'm not a user at all. However, it's not how I understand it:
Bjørnar Magnussen wrote:
I read the following on Atril's web page, which prompted me to download a trial version of Deja Vu:
"You can activate Google Translate on three different levels: Pretranslation, Assembling and specific segments in the translation grid. Thus it allows you to set DeepMiner to query MT systems including Google Translate for portions it does not find in your databases, extending its unprecedented ability to generate usable full translations even when it finds partial or no matches in your databases."
As I understand it, this says DV will "repair" something found in the TM, or assembled by it from various bits, using Google Translate to query the missing bits. What you are trying to do is the opposite: taking a translation served by Google Translate and using DV's own resources (in your case, the term base) to "repair" the GT translation.
Bjørnar Magnussen wrote:
Then I did the following experiement:
Source text: If you enter your card details for the first time
GT: Hvis du skriver inn kortdetaljer for første gang
Termbase: card details = TEST
In my theory, this should produce something like:
DeepMiner: "Hvis du skriver inn TEST for første gang"
However, there's no way I can get this or anything like it no matter how much I play with the settings. Did I misunderstand how DeepMiner works with Google Translate?
The scenario covered by DeepMiner (again, as I understand it) is the following:
You have translated the following segment (now in your TM):
If you enter your card details for the first time
You need to translate the following new source segment:
If you enter your login information for the first time
Then DeepMiner would query the missing bit ("login information"), using GT.
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