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Evert DELOOF-SYS  Identity Verified
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May 18, 2004

Of wat moet je hier anders van denken:

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.


Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.


Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head.


Now it gets really weird.

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln.


Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.


Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.


John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names are composed of fifteen letters.


Now hang on to your seat.

Lincoln was shot at the theatre named 'Ford.'
Kennedy was shot in a car called 'Lincoln' made by 'Ford.'


Lincoln was shot in a theatre and his assassin ran and hid
in a warehouse.
Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin ran
and hid in a theatre.


Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.

And here's the kicker...


A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.


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Doet me denken aan een liedje May 18, 2004

... Karma-karma-karma-karma-karma-Chameleon....;)

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Henk Peelen  Identity Verified
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Too weird? May 18, 2004

w8 ff!

Booth who assassinated Lincoln in his booth, wan't born 1839 but 1838! See:
http://www.infoplease.com/cgi-bin/birthday?month=may&day=10


Nou ja, 1838 en 1939 zijn nog steeds een mooi getallenpaar!

Overigens kwam bij het lezen van deze bijdrage onmiddellijk mij onmiddellijk voor de geest dat dit circus al eens eerder was geplaatst. En ja hoor, na even zoeken:
http://www.proz.com/post/28445#28445

Dat is echter nog lang niet zo vaak als de "ambigiouties of the English language" dat zo langzamerhand wel 10 keer is geplaatst.

[Edited at 2004-05-18 19:42]


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Evert DELOOF-SYS  Identity Verified
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En nu nog die andere dingetjes verifiëren, Henk May 18, 2004

Henk Peelen wrote:

w8 ff!

Booth who assassinated Lincoln in his booth, wan't born 1839 but 1838! See:
http://www.infoplease.com/cgi-bin/birthday?month=may&day=10


Nou ja, 1838 en 1939 zijn nog steeds een mooi getallenpaar!

Overigens kwam bij het lezen van deze bijdrage onmiddellijk mij onmiddellijk voor de geest dat dit circus al eens eerder was geplaatst. En ja hoor, na even zoeken:
http://www.proz.com/post/28445#28445

Dat is echter nog lang niet zo vaak als de "ambigiouties of the English language" dat zo langzamerhand wel 10 keer is geplaatst.

[Edited at 2004-05-18 19:42]


Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy

Lincoln was born in 1809; Kennedy in 1917.
Lincoln's secretary was not named Kennedy. His name was John Nicolay. And although Kennedy's secretary was named Evelyn Lincoln, Lincoln is hardly an uncommon name.
Lincoln grew up poor; Kennedy was rich.
Lincoln was a Republican; Kennedy a Democrat.
Kennedy was a Catholic; Lincoln a Deist.
Kennedy personally served in a war; Lincoln did not.
John Wilkes Booth was from Maryland. This hardly makes him a Southerner.
John Wilkes Booth was born in 1838, not 1839.
Both assassins were not "known by their three names." This is a construct of historians. It's not like Booth was commonly called "John Wilkes" by his friends, and as far as I can tell, Oswald didn't go by "Lee Harvey." Historians often refer to famous people and infamous people by three names (if they have three names). Examples: John Quincy Adams; William Henry Harrison; William Howard Taft; Franklin Delano Roosevelt; Dwight David Eisenhower; John Fitzgerald Kennedy; Lyndon Baines Johnson -- and I bet that, as time goes on, the current president will come to be referred to by historians as George Walker Bush, to distinguish him from his father (sounds better in a history book that way, as opposed to George W.). Other examples come from non-presidents -- Sarah Jessica Parker. Well, I don't want to spend all day thinking these up, but you get the point.
Although Booth did "run from a theater," it was a live theater, while Oswald was caught in a movie theater. More glaringly, Booth was not caught in a "warehouse." He was killed while cavalry officers attempted to capture him, while he was hiding out in a barn. Moreover, Oswald shot Kennedy, who was in the open air (Lincoln was not), from a public school book depository where he worked (which I'm not sure qualifies as a "warehouse").
Booth was not assassinated, he was killed while cavalry officers attempted to apprehend him. (An officer fired at Booth's arm in order to disarm him, but Booth moved at the same time and was killed.) Oswald was assassinated, but by a nightclub owner (Jack Ruby), someone completely unrelated to the government (unless you believe the conspiracy theories, but then that casts doubt on whether Oswald killed Kennedy, in any event).
Kennedy most definitely was not with Marilyn Monroe a week before he was assassinated. Monroe died more than a year before Kennedy was shot. Moreover, I have my doubts about whether Lincoln was in Monroe, Maryland one week before he was shot. Five days before he was shot, General Lee surrendered to General Grant (in Virginia). I would be surprised if Lincoln, while busy with events surrounding the surrender of Lee and the end of the Civil War, would take the time to visit a small community in the "panhandle" of Maryland (keeping in mind that, by the travel methods of the day, it would have been a significant, several-day trip, not a few hours drive as it would be today).
Although Lincoln was shot on a Friday, he died on a Saturday. Kennedy, on the other hand, died almost immediatly.
It is not surprising that would-be assassins aim for the head. Besides, Lincoln was shot with a pistol, while Kennedy was shot with a rifle.
Lincoln had THREE children who died young (one while Lincoln was in office). Kennedy had only ONE child who died young (which occurred while Kennedy was in office) and another who was stillborn (which was before Kennedy became President), for a total of TWO.
Kennedy did not lose his mother in childhood, but Lincoln did.
As for their Congressional terms, Lincoln was indeed elected to the House in 1846. However, he served only one term of two years, and never again served in the U.S. Congress. Moreover, he was defeated twice in election bids to the U.S. Senate. Kennedy, however, remained in Congress from 1946 (technically he took office in early January 1947) until he was inaugurated as President, including two successful elections to the Senate (elected to House in 1946, 1948 and 1950; elected to Senate in 1952 and 1958), and Kennedy never lost an election.
Lincoln served as President for over four years (he was just into his second term when he was shot). Kennedy served less then 3 years.
Related to this, Andrew Johnson only served out the term to which Lincoln was elected. Lyndon Johnson served out Kennedy's term, then was elected to another full term.
Also, Andrew Johnson was impeached (but not removed from office). Lyndon Johnson was never impeached, nor was it ever suggested that he should be.
Lincoln was born in Kentucky (South) and grew up in Illinois (Midwest); Kennedy was from Massachusetts (NE).
Lincoln practiced law for a long period of time before becoming president; Kennedy never formally practiced law.
Lincoln's brother was never assassinated and never served as Attorney General, as did Kennedy's brother (Bobby). And Lincoln didn't have another brother who was a long-time Senator, as is Kennedy's other brother (Teddy).
Lincoln successfully presided over the North during the Civil War. Kennedy's only involvement in armed conflict as a President was a disaster -- the Bay of Pigs.
Kennedy famously had at least one mistress, and probably many more. As far as history tells, Lincoln had no mistresses (and it's not a matter of it being further back in time; we know that Jefferson fathered children by a slave; we know that Benjamin Franklin was a chronic womanizer (as defined today); etc.).
And the list could go on and on....


[Edited at 2004-05-18 20:03]


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Ken-e-die (Een of ander Hollands dialect voor 'ken je die') May 18, 2004

Nou nee Evert
De reden dat die 1839 me opviel was dat ik de vorige keer uit nieuwsgierigheid een aantal jaartallen (zonder 18 en 19) bij elkaar had opgeteld en toen een mooie reeks 97, 98, 99, 100 vond. Die wilde ik nu weer vinden, maar vond de genoemde fout.

Moordcomplotten zijn toch al geen opkikkertje, en nou klopt tot overmaat van ramp de kicker ook nog niet!

[Edited at 2004-05-18 20:34]


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Onder de knie May 18, 2004

Henk Peelen wrote:

[Edited at 2004-05-18 20:34]


Hé Henk,

Ben jij niet aan het fietsen?

Groeten,
Gerard


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xxxNicolette Ri
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?? May 18, 2004

Gerard de Noord wrote:

Henk Peelen wrote:

[Edited at 2004-05-18 20:34]


Hé Henk,

Ben jij niet aan het fietsen?

Groeten,
Gerard


Hij heeft vast een computer op z'n fiets.


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Mag dat? May 19, 2004

Mag dat? Vertalen terwijl je fietst? Bellen mag niet, behalve met de fietsbel natuurlijk.

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Ga toch fietsen, zeg May 19, 2004

Kom nou, dat is alweer een halve eeuw geleden.

Misschien moeten jullie je eigen eens liever afvragen of je nog serieuze plannen hebt beroemd te worden en zo ja, kijk dan even of je wel minimaal twee voornamen hebt (citaat uit Everts anti-climax "Historians often refer to famous people and infamous people by three names"). Wat moeten ze anders met je?

Nou je het zegt, geen vertalen tijdens het fietsen, natuurlijk wel luchtfietsen tijdens het vertalen.
Ik weet niet of mobiel vertalen werkelijk een vlucht neemt, maar er schijnt al wel een vertaalgolf te zijn
http://www.proz.com/topic/20980

Hopelijk is die golf handgeschakeld en geen automaat, anders krijgen we weer van die automatische vertalingen.

Je hebt dus best wel een beetje gelijk, we moeten uitkijken dat we de boot niet missen.

[Edited at 2004-05-20 12:07]


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xxxNicolette Ri
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Die vertaalgolf is er May 19, 2004

Als ze zelfs mij vragen om Engels>Nederlands te doen, dan is er iets mis. Zwoeg, zwoeg.

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beroemd May 19, 2004

Tja, wat is beroemd?
Toen ik een week of wat geleden een andere auto kocht merkte ik dat iedereen mij plotseling begon te groeten. Pas daarna ontdekte ik dat iemand, een paar straten verder, net zo'n auto had. Dus ben ik nu ook een beetje beroemd.


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Mobiele machinevertaalgolf May 19, 2004


Nou je het zegt, ik weet niet of mobiel vertalen werkelijk een vlucht neemt, maar er schijnt al een vertaalgolf te zijn
Hopelijk is het geen automaat, anders krijgen we weer van die automatische vertalingen.
Je hebt dus best wel een beetje gelijk, we moeten uitkijken dat we de boot niet missen.


Haha, ik ben nu zeer immobiel aan een bureautje gekluisterd en do mijn first (wellicht last) ever post-edit van een machine vertaling. Af en toe mag je lachen als een handprimer 'het hand dat nauwkeuriger is' is, of als er onder het apparaat 'neuzend' moet worden - straks ga ik zelf nog zo praten of nog erger - vertalen. Maar verder is het zwoegen. De zon schijnt weliswaar, maar dat doet-ie in Nederland ook.

Ik mis de boot dus wel!


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Vertaalgolf? May 19, 2004

Mijn vertaalgolf bestaat mementeel alleen maar uit Frans-Nederlands, maar dat is misschien wel logisch in dit land. Mobiel vertalen heb ik vorig jaar al meegemaakt, natuurlijk op vakantie in hartje Italië in de middle-of-nowhere (daar wilde ik al lang een keer naar toe) waar een klant me wist te vinden voor een dringende vertaling omdat een van m'n kinderen per ongeluk het nummer van m'n Italiaanse mobieltje en van de pc had laten vallen.
Maar goed, Engels-NL? De laatste tijd geen last van gehad.


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xxxNicolette Ri
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Ik wel May 20, 2004

Youp Kila wrote:

Mijn vertaalgolf bestaat mementeel alleen maar uit Frans-Nederlands, maar dat is misschien wel logisch in dit land. Mobiel vertalen heb ik vorig jaar al meegemaakt, natuurlijk op vakantie in hartje Italië in de middle-of-nowhere (daar wilde ik al lang een keer naar toe) waar een klant me wist te vinden voor een dringende vertaling omdat een van m'n kinderen per ongeluk het nummer van m'n Italiaanse mobieltje en van de pc had laten vallen.
Maar goed, Engels-NL? De laatste tijd geen last van gehad.


Uiteindelijk doe ik natuurlijk heel veel Frans>Nederlands, maar het is net of er een nieuwe mode aan het ontstaan is. Alsof al die cosmeticamerken (maar ik ben het ook al tegengekomen in de autobranche) eerst hun tekst vanuit het Frans naar het Engels laten vertalen en dan vanuit het Engels naar 5 of 10 andere talen. Alsof het gemakkelijker is om mensen te vinden met Engels dan met Frans. Het zou misschien de moeite waard zijn als jullie die in Nederland wonen en werken eens Franse vertaalbureaus aan zouden schrijven met het Engels>Nederlandse talenpaar, of omgekeerd. Mijn Engels is wel ver weggezakt, daarvoor ben ik al te lang weg uit Nederland (!!).


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