Joual mon cheval - 1er concours de traduction KudoZ, FR > AN Thread poster: Yolanda Broad
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Yolanda Broad 
United States
Local time: 21:57
Member (2000)
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J\'affiche ce concours dans le forum français, puisqu\'il vise une des paires de langue avec le français, mais la traduction est vers l\'anglais.
Joual, mon cheval
de batailles,
hélas,
de sourires en soupirs,
de douleurs qu\'on efface.
Joual, mon cheval
libre de rire
ou de hennir
sans que l\'un pousse
... See more J\'affiche ce concours dans le forum français, puisqu\'il vise une des paires de langue avec le français, mais la traduction est vers l\'anglais.
Joual, mon cheval
de batailles,
hélas,
de sourires en soupirs,
de douleurs qu\'on efface.
Joual, mon cheval
libre de rire
ou de hennir
sans que l\'un pousse
ou l\'autre tire.
Sans l\'un et l\'autre
haïr.
Joual, mon cheval
qui n\'a que faire…
des dictionnaires.
Joual, mon cheval
qui parle sauvage
à grand-mère,
qui ne peut dire sa colère qu\'en termes fous,
qu\'en termes frères,
en termes de chez nous.
Joual, mon cheval
qui pour avoir été longtemps sous la botte implacable
d\'un dangereux amant,
joual bâillonné mais ne pouvant se taire,
cheval qui se résigne,
à pleurer
plutôt que braire.
Aude Ace 2002
Et voici les règles du concours (en anglais...):
This is a poetry translation contest, which I am organizing to give us a break from our day to day translation chores. I also hope it will help put us in a cheerful, holiday mood: ‘tis the season! See \"Joual, mon cheval\" thread in French Forum for the entire text.
Here are the rules:
1. You must translate all the KudoZ with lines of from poem.
2. The winner will be chosen on the basis of the translation of the whole poem.
3. I will be sole judge of the translations. Prize: KudoZ for all your \"answers,\" and, should we ever get within range of one another, a bottle of an excellent wine from a local vineyard, lovingly aged in our own personal \"cave\" (under the stairs to our basement, where it is dark and cool all year long).
4. I also invite you to discuss this on the FR< > English forum, and will open a thread dedicated to that discussion. Besides, this will give us a good chance to welcome the new FR< >EN moderator, JCEC (John Chandioux).
5. The winner also gets to select a poem and run/judge a new contest, using the foregoing rules.
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| | | | Nathalie M. Girard, ALHC (X)
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| Can you clarify No. 1? | Dec 8, 2002 |
Bonjour Yolanda,
Je ne comprends pas le premier point (en rapport avec les Kudoz):
1. You must translate \"all the KudoZ\" with lines \"of from\" poem.
What do you mean by \"translate all the Kudoz\" (which kudoz???) with lines from this poem?
From the rest, I simply understand that we have to translate the above poem into English, and that the best translation will be declared the winner.
A... See more Bonjour Yolanda,
Je ne comprends pas le premier point (en rapport avec les Kudoz):
1. You must translate \"all the KudoZ\" with lines \"of from\" poem.
What do you mean by \"translate all the Kudoz\" (which kudoz???) with lines from this poem?
From the rest, I simply understand that we have to translate the above poem into English, and that the best translation will be declared the winner.
Am I totally missing the mark here?
Many thanks for any light you can shed on this... I am interested in participating 
Nath
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| | | | Yolanda Broad
United States
Local time: 21:57
Member (2000)
French to English
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MODERATOR TOPIC STARTER | Information supplémentaire sur ce concours, et mes excuses | Dec 8, 2002 |
Il semble que les courriels/e-mails de KudoZ annonçant la présence des lignes de ce poème sur KudoZ sont bourrés de code HTML, ce qui les rend à peu près illisibles. Du moins, c\'est le cas pour les messages que j\'ai reçus, et j\'en suis désolée. Par contre, les textes des KudoZ correspondants, pour leur part, sont parfaitement intacts, alors, si l\'on a le courage de s\'y rendre, pas de problème. Le plus simple, et le plus sûr, pour la traduction, serait de la compléter d\'une ... See more Il semble que les courriels/e-mails de KudoZ annonçant la présence des lignes de ce poème sur KudoZ sont bourrés de code HTML, ce qui les rend à peu près illisibles. Du moins, c\'est le cas pour les messages que j\'ai reçus, et j\'en suis désolée. Par contre, les textes des KudoZ correspondants, pour leur part, sont parfaitement intacts, alors, si l\'on a le courage de s\'y rendre, pas de problème. Le plus simple, et le plus sûr, pour la traduction, serait de la compléter d\'une pièce, à partir du texte ci-dessus, puis entrer les lignes une par une dans les KudoZ appropriés.
Alors, voici les URLs de ces KudoZ; suivez la piste, et vous aurez toutes les lignes:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323303
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323304
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323305
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323306
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323307
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323308
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323309
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323310
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323311
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323312
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323313
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323314
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323315
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323317
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323318
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323319
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323320
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323321
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323322
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323323
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323325
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323326
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323327
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/323329
http://www.proz.com/glossary/323330?pwd=26xk
http://www.proz.com/glossary/323331?pwd=uhLb
http://www.proz.com/glossary/323333?pwd=fFIu
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| | | | Francis MARC
Lithuania
Local time: 04:57
English to French
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| je l'ai étrenné ! | Dec 8, 2002 |
J\'ai composé ma traduction délirante (ce serait amusant de faire re-traduire par d\'autres vers le français à partir des textes pondus en anglais).
La mise en place des morceaux ligne par ligne sur Kudoz s\'avère assez laborieuse.
Pour faciliter la synthèse, voici le texte d\'ensemble (ne riez pas ...)
Geoffrey, my palfrey,
my war horse alike, alack,
from smiles to sighs, without a gap,
... See more J\'ai composé ma traduction délirante (ce serait amusant de faire re-traduire par d\'autres vers le français à partir des textes pondus en anglais).
La mise en place des morceaux ligne par ligne sur Kudoz s\'avère assez laborieuse.
Pour faciliter la synthèse, voici le texte d\'ensemble (ne riez pas ...)
Geoffrey, my palfrey,
my war horse alike, alack,
from smiles to sighs, without a gap,
plus all the deep pains that we zap.
Geoffrey, my palfrey,
we’re free when laughing,
or rather when whinnying,
never one is pushing
if the other is pulling,
no hate, ever,
against each other.
Geoffrey, my palfrey,
never worries
about dictionaries.
Geoffrey, my palfrey,
who talks wildly
to grandaddy,
who delivers his anger
through word fury,
shared amicably.
Geoffrey, my palfrey,
was almost for ever
like a loot under the foot
of a dangerous lover.
Muzzled but not quiet,
has no other diet
than crying
instead of braying.
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NancyLynn
Canada
Local time: 21:57
Member (2002)
French to English
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MODERATOR
J\'ai l\'impression, Odette, que tu vas avoir quelques versions divergentes...
Coarse, my horse
my battle-horse
alas,
from smiles to sighs
and pain immaterialized.
Coarse, my horse,
free to play
free to neigh
without one pulling
and the other pushing away.
And each thinking of hate.
Coarse, my horse
who would nary... See more J\'ai l\'impression, Odette, que tu vas avoir quelques versions divergentes...
Coarse, my horse
my battle-horse
alas,
from smiles to sighs
and pain immaterialized.
Coarse, my horse,
free to play
free to neigh
without one pulling
and the other pushing away.
And each thinking of hate.
Coarse, my horse
who would nary
crack a dictionary.
Coarse, my horse
who talks wild
to Grandmother,
who cannot smother his anger with crazy words,
with brotherly words,
words from back home.
How\'s that for a Sunday afternoon project?
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| | | | | A spot of poetic licence | Dec 8, 2002 |
Joual, my battle-weary steed
Alas, your smile fades to sighs,
Born of the pain and grief
Set deep inside your eyes.
Joual, my wild steed
Free now to laugh and neigh;
Free from the tug of war,
The hate that marked your way.
Joual, my indefinable steed,
No dictionary holds the key.
Joual, my savage steed,
Wild alike with friend and foe;
Your rag... See more Joual, my battle-weary steed
Alas, your smile fades to sighs,
Born of the pain and grief
Set deep inside your eyes.
Joual, my wild steed
Free now to laugh and neigh;
Free from the tug of war,
The hate that marked your way.
Joual, my indefinable steed,
No dictionary holds the key.
Joual, my savage steed,
Wild alike with friend and foe;
Your raging moods cannot be dressed
In the language of mankind
In terms that we can know.
Joual, my one and only steed,
Suffering so long the whims
Of a dangerous lover’s boot and spur;
Gagged but never silenced
Destined to weep and bray no more.
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Chère Yolanda, je te félicite de ton idée d\'interrompre notre tran-tran des traductions par une nouveauté qui a du niveau, mais…
tu ne trouves pas que tes 20 questions pourraient congestionner les pages ProZ, et que peu de personnes ont le temps et la patience de cliquer 20 fois pour insérer chaque fois une petite ligne? qu\'au moins le vainqueur fasse son concours dans le forum - on voit que ça marche très bien! tant pis pour les KudoZ - il y a plein d\'occasions pour en faire…
| | | | Bruce Popp
United States
Local time: 18:57
French to English
Here\'s my interpretation (not really a translation) with a
very heavy dose of poetic license.
Gus, my cat
a mouser
from purring to meowing
petting relieves stress
Gus, my cat
free to hold his tail high
or stalk
while staying aloof
with malice towards none
<... See more
Here\'s my interpretation (not really a translation) with a
very heavy dose of poetic license.
Gus, my cat
a mouser
from purring to meowing
petting relieves stress
Gus, my cat
free to hold his tail high
or stalk
while staying aloof
with malice towards none
Gus, my cat
who has only to make
fur-balls on my carpet
Gus, my cat
who hisses and growls
at strangers
who arches his back and shows his teeth
a domestic predator
who trusts only us
Gus, my cat
who has lived long, burdened now
by the indignities of aging
can no longer jump on the table
must now call for delivery
instead of getting take out.
Seasons greetings!
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JohannR
Local time: 02:57
English to French
| joual mon cheval | Dec 10, 2002 |
Stampede,my auld steed,
my companion to the battlefields,
poor you,
after a smile, a sigh
after a pain, anew.
Stampede, my auld steed,
laugh if you will,
or cry! -for your will is stronger than the reed
anyway.
But do not loathe them
either way.
Stampede, my auld steed,
for you glossaries
are as useful as with... See more Stampede,my auld steed,
my companion to the battlefields,
poor you,
after a smile, a sigh
after a pain, anew.
Stampede, my auld steed,
laugh if you will,
or cry! -for your will is stronger than the reed
anyway.
But do not loathe them
either way.
Stampede, my auld steed,
for you glossaries
are as useful as withered daisies!
Stampede, my auld steed,
who talks hoarsely
to granny,
your anger is only frenzy,
friendzy,
and cosy.
Stampede, my auld steed,
for yongst under the yoke
of a dangerous lover,
stampeded but still making a joke,
for a vanquished steed, tears take over
the need
to neigh.
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| | | | | D'un "fou Breton", en toute humilté! | Dec 13, 2002 |
Joual...
Joual, Acadian charger of mine in the midst of battles
Alas, from dour smiles to harshened whispers
Of lasting grievance that turns up numb at last
Joual, ô my charger, free to laugh or to neigh,
And with no one to push, and with no one to pull
And hot hatred to neither
Joual my charger, with useless dictionaries
Joual, ô my charger who whispers wild and free
Into Grand-Ma\'... See more Joual...
Joual, Acadian charger of mine in the midst of battles
Alas, from dour smiles to harshened whispers
Of lasting grievance that turns up numb at last
Joual, ô my charger, free to laugh or to neigh,
And with no one to push, and with no one to pull
And hot hatred to neither
Joual my charger, with useless dictionaries
Joual, ô my charger who whispers wild and free
Into Grand-Ma\'s ears,
Who cannot fume his rage, but in so savage words
And in brotherly words, and the words of my folks
Joual, my cherished horse suffered for a long time
Under the crushing heel of merciless lover
Joual, gaggled maybe, but unable ever
To swallow up his words, even under duress
A simple horse that will eventually resigns
To quietly cry
Rather than bray...
After Aude Ace 2002
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Are you lost in a poetic reverie, or have you forgotten about this????
(Happy New Year!)
| | | | JMMAZ
Local time: 03:57
English to French
| Joual, my joual | Feb 24, 2012 |
Joual, my joual
of battles
alas,
of smiles into sighs,
of pains they erase.
Free to laugh
or neigh
without either pushes
or pulls.
Without one or other
hate.
Joual, my joual
which has no use
of dictionaries
Joual, my joual
wild speaking
to grandmother
which just can tell its anger
in furious terms
in brethren terms
in home terms
Jou... See more Joual, my joual
of battles
alas,
of smiles into sighs,
of pains they erase.
Free to laugh
or neigh
without either pushes
or pulls.
Without one or other
hate.
Joual, my joual
which has no use
of dictionaries
Joual, my joual
wild speaking
to grandmother
which just can tell its anger
in furious terms
in brethren terms
in home terms
Joual, my joual
which having been long under the ruthless heel
of a dangerous lover,
joual gagged but cannot keep silent,
joual which resigns
to cry
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