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Libero_Lang_Lab  Identity Verified
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Apr 27, 2003

...for the cockney rhyming slang term \"brahms and liszt\"?

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Dunno, but... Apr 27, 2003

...if you want to read more about that, why don\'t you visit, say, http://www.businessballs.com/cockney.htm ?



Oops, I clicked on \"submit\" too early.

In my opinion, the cockney slang is quite unique and, even though special language strata exist elsewhere as well, it is too British to have \"translations\" or equivalents. In the Hungarian language, for instance, it is rare to use names or their derivatives for the slang and we definitely do not use the sort of association-type abbreviations and integrations you mention.

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No EC2 in Budapest – got Kőbánya instead Apr 27, 2003

Kõbánya (lierally: \"Stone quarry\", district X, Pest side) is famous for its beer factory/brewery churning out a nationally popular lager called \"Kõbányai Világos\". Once the district was the epitome of \"working class heroes\" but as you might guess, the atmosphere has been changing.



When it comes to explaining the glorious state of being smashed, Hungarian slang words are just as colourful and inventive as their colleagues’ up in Cheapside. I have a collection of slang glossaries (prison, army, student, etc) if you are seriously interested... but must admit the expressions can be tricky to translate into English.

As far as I know there isn’t a slang expression tarnishing the names of these two...not even other classical composers’. What a bleedin’ shame.

Mind you, last time I visited the main Market Hall in Pest I am sure I heard one of the traders yelling:

\"Broadband Access for High-Speed Multimedia via Satellite!\"

\"Free Mailing List!\"

In perfect English, of course.



About \"THE BEER\", Kõbányai Világos:

http://www.foltnet.hu/cybeersite/index.htm



(...one connection springs to mind between \"Hungarocockneys\" and classical music. A cheap’n nasty brand of fags called \"Szimfónia\" or Symphony, only for those with hardened lungs.)

I agree with Éva about the uniqueness of cockney rhyming slang: \"we definitely do not use the sort of association-type abbreviations and integrations you mention\". True.



On the other hand, the typical slang of Budapest (\"jassz-language\") is rich in expressions using names of famous personalities. I have looked through my collection and still haven’t found Brahms and Liszt! How very odd...



[ This Message was edited by: Erika Pál on 2003-04-28 13:00]

[ This Message was edited by: Erika Pál on 2003-04-30 14:52]


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xxxErika P  Identity Verified
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an off(ish) question Apr 28, 2003



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bartok May 1, 2003

i did once - when i claimed to be half decent at the cello. i wouldn\'t risk it these days - it wouldn\'t be very pretty.



but i like him



a lot





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xxxErika P  Identity Verified
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"bartók" May 2, 2003

making noises with the cello...sounds lovely...

Bartók’s name has definitely made it into slang as his portrait used to adorn the characteristic bedsheet-sized and bottle green 1000 HUF banknotes:

\"Give me a bartók\", \"Give me a thousand\", \"Adj egy bartókot/ezrest!\" No rhyming here either, I am afraid.

I would be surprised if Sir Edward\'s name has been used in the cockney or other slang dialects in spoken BrE. \"Give me an elgar (20 GBP banknote) mate, will ya’\" does sound a tad inappropriate somehow...



A question:

First time I heard this in the UK – I am not sure if it’s an idiom or not:

\"Go to Budapest!\"

Is it equivalent to \"get lost\" or …something else? (The mouth belonged to a drunk female who screamed it at some chap. 2 mins later she slapped him across the face.)

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Going to Budapest... May 6, 2003

Dear Erika,



As far as I know (which is reasonably far, I like to think) there is no such idiom - although it does sound like a rather good suggestion!



Thanks for sharing some fascinating facts about the Hungarian capital!



FB


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Köszönöm a választ May 7, 2003

I am pleased to hear that – it has been bugging me for weeks now yet I could not bring myself to post it as a Kudoz question.

Budapest: apparently, a promising powwow coming up on Friday (0905). Don’t miss the boat, fruitbat!

Location: Liszt Ferenc Square...


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