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Can KudoZ change your mind?
Thread poster: xxxwonita
xxxwonita
China
Local time: 00:27
Apr 28, 2008

Dear KudoZ participators:

it hapens quite often, that the answer from a colleague gets more peer agreements than yours. In this case, would you probably give up your own version and adopt the suggestion of the colleague when you yourself have to translate the phrase asked some day?

I'd love to hear your opinion.

Bin


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LittleBalu
Germany
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If it's better than my own suggestion, yes - if not, no. Apr 28, 2008

As simple as that. It's not a matter of peer agreements - ever heard of the bandwagon effect? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect

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Siegfried Armbruster  Identity Verified
Germany
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Sure Apr 28, 2008

This happened more than once.

Siegfried


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Anna Sylvia Villegas Carvallo
Mexico
Local time: 21:27
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Yes, frequently Apr 28, 2008

One should be aware that there is always a colleague that knows the subject better than you do.

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xxxwonita
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My initial thought to this question Apr 28, 2008

As language workers it is our task to make our message in language to reach as much audience as possible. If another interpretation is better accepted, must we change to improve?

Bin


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Rad Graban  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
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No Apr 28, 2008

LittleBalu wrote:
As simple as that. It's not a matter of peer agreements - ever heard of the bandwagon effect? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect


Totally agree. The answer with most "agrees" can be sometimes totally ridiculous and wrong. If somebody suggests an answer after me and it's better, I don't have a problem to give it my "agree" peer comment.

Rad


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Henry Hinds  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 21:27
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It depends Apr 28, 2008

If the other answer is more valid, of course I would change. On the other hand, it depends a lot on context and the variety of the language, especially since my languages are used in many, many countries and what is good in one is not always good in another.

So my guide would not be the number of agrees, but my own educated judgment.


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Joan Berglund  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 23:27
Member (2008)
French to English
definitely depends Apr 28, 2008

If someone's answer sound better, I usually check their references, or google their term if they don't provide references. If the context fits and it gets more hits overall, I will concede their answer is better. Another question: I have found that I sometimes get more points for answers that I wasn't that crazy about and not for ones where I was quite sure I was right and thought I had given a good explanation. Anyone else find that? This certainly makes me question the bandwagon effect anyway!

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GoodWords  Identity Verified
Mexico
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Truth is not determined by democratic votes Apr 28, 2008

You can evaluate the answers by:

  • the content and quality of the references and explanations offered by the answerers,
  • the content and quality of the references and explanations offered by the agreeers/disagreers, and
  • the results of your own research on the suggested terms.

These results may change your mind, but simply going by the number of votes may lead you into a wrong answer.


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Patricia Rosas  Identity Verified
United States
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More good words from GoodWords ... Apr 28, 2008

GoodWords wrote:

You can evaluate the answers by:

  • the content and quality of the references and explanations offered by the answerers,
  • the content and quality of the references and explanations offered by the agreeers/disagreers, and
  • the results of your own research on the suggested terms.

These results may change your mind, but simply going by the number of votes may lead you into a wrong answer.



I absolutely agree with GoodWords and Henry Hinds. One of the key reasons I participate in KudoZ is to learn. But to change my mind about an answer requires that the respondent convince me that his or her choice of term is the most apt.

A question just closed where the right answer (in my opinion--and it's in an area I work in regularly) got 1 single agree (I didn't vote 'cause I was too busy!), and the "wrong" answer (imho) got 9. The asker (who undoubtedly knows the field) recognized the (not "right" but) "most appropriate" answer.

While some answers may be clearly wrong, when there are several potentially correct choices, it all depends on CONTEXT and tone ... And that's where our judgment and experience has to come into play.


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xxxmediamatrix
Local time: 00:27
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And what about askers? Do they learn? Do they change? Apr 28, 2008

Extrapolating slightly from the question, I sometimes wonder what (if anything...) goes through the minds of askers who blindly follow bad advice offered in KudoZ and end up being hollered at by their client because they've used the wrong termonology - only to realise that if they had taken more care when selecting answers they would have discovered they had the correct answer staring them in the face.

From what I've seen in the past week or so in the spa-eng, spa-eng and por-eng pairs, there are a number of askers who should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

Sadly, I doubt that they care. It's less likely still that they'll ever understand the importance, especially in 'technical' translation (in the widest sense of that word), of using the right word in the right place and, above all, the value of good advice from properly qualified and experienced peers from virtually all branches of science, engineering and technology that are available through this site.

MediaMatrix


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Joan Berglund  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 23:27
Member (2008)
French to English
do askers blindly follow advice? Apr 28, 2008

I surely hope they don't - which is why I almost never put more than "medium" certainty. This means please read and analyze references yourself and consider if they apply to your document because for me to do it for you would be like work *shudder*

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María Emilia Zimbello  Identity Verified
Argentina
Local time: 00:27
English to Spanish
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Yes Apr 28, 2008

I mean, if somebody has a better option, why not be humble enough to accept that we are not "know-alls"?
Besides, Iit's always enlightening to read what other people think and interpret


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John Cutler  Identity Verified
Spain
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Good explanation Apr 29, 2008

LittleBalu wrote:

As simple as that. It's not a matter of peer agreements - ever heard of the bandwagon effect? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect


A fascinating article and good explanation for all those little blue agrees when the answer is obviously off base.


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LittleBalu
Germany
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Many do ... Apr 29, 2008

Joan Berglund wrote:

Do askers blindly follow advice?
I surely hope they don't - which is why I almost never put more than "medium" certainty. This means please read and analyze references yourself and consider if they apply to your document because for me to do it for you would be like work *shudder*


Many do ... because they don't see that agreers are often just jumping on the bandwagon. "This answer has got 5 agrees? OK, then it must be right, so I'll better add mine ..." I find KudoZ an extremely helpful feature, and I'm very grateful for the help peers have given me in the past three years, but you still need to discriminate between the answer that has the most agrees and the answer that fits best into your context.


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