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Why is my BrowniZ point total decreasing in increments of 10?
Thread poster: Narasimhan Raghavan

Narasimhan Raghavan  Identity Verified
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Jun 8, 2003

My Kudoz points have remained the same but the BrowniZ are gradually reducing in steps of 10. 1604>1594>1584>1574. All I have been doing is to take a more active part in the Forum discussions. Do I get the BrowniZ points deducted for the same, like in using blueboard entries (50) or bidding (100)?

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Henry Dotterer
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You are not being charged Browniz. Browniz points are dynamic, and may decrease. Jun 8, 2003

Browniz points are dynamic. That is, they are calculated based on what is in the database at any given time. This means that if you, say, entered 10 words into the glossary (earning 100 points), and then removed them all, you would have 0 points.

Since you are losing points in increments of 10, I suspect that either you have deleted some of your previous glossary entries, or someone else has.


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Kvasir
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what are browniz for anyway? Jun 8, 2003

ah... since the topic about browniz is brought up, i might as well ask my question.

i'm a relatively new member (since march 2003) and I still haven't figured out what browniz points are for.

I know that kudoz is a measurement of one's helpfullness and expertise, but what do browniz do?

zankiz,

-kvasir


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sktrans  Identity Verified
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Same experience - I have not deleted anything, yet my browniz are decreasing. Who can delete my entr Jun 8, 2003

Henry wrote:

Browniz points are dynamic. That is, they are calculated based on what is in the database at any given time. This means that if you, say, entered 10 words into the glossary (earning 100 points), and then removed them all, you would have 0 points.

Since you are losing points in increments of 10, I suspect that either you have deleted some of your previous glossary entries, or someone else has.


[Edited at 2003-06-08 20:08]


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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Check the FAQ Jun 8, 2003

Hi Kvasir,
I know that kudoz is a measurement of one's helpfullness and expertise, but what do browniz do?

Have a look at FAQ #10

HTH - best regards, Ralf


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Narasimhan Raghavan  Identity Verified
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No deletion on my part Jun 8, 2003

Certainly I have not deleted. How can any one else delete my glossary entries, that have come about in the first place by the acceptance of my suggestions to questions posed by the askers? It is seen that I am not alone in having this experience. Is it possible to trace the person doing it and that too without any reference to the people affected? Prima facie this appears to be wrong and a stop must be put to it.
If possible our BrowniZ may kindly be restored.

sktrans wrote:

Henry wrote:

Browniz points are dynamic. That is, they are calculated based on what is in the database at any given time. This means that if you, say, entered 10 words into the glossary (earning 100 points), and then removed them all, you would have 0 points.

Since you are losing points in increments of 10, I suspect that either you have deleted some of your previous glossary entries, or someone else has.


[Edited at 2003-06-08 20:08]


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Kvasir
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thankx ralf Jun 8, 2003

thankx ralf!

i must've overlooked that when i search through the FAQ earlier...

As an amateur part-time linguist, i have not much use with browniz points then. No need to upgrade membership or view blueboard listings... I wish they are transferrable. Anyone want them?

maybe they could turn into cash. 6000 browniz = 60$ ... hmmm i'd have over 30 bucks now LOL

-kvasir


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Soonthon LUPKITARO(Ph.D.)  Identity Verified
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My Browniz decreases by 40000 ! Jun 9, 2003

I also experience the same situation. For instance, my Browniz decresed from 64.000 to 16,000 on one operation (add Browniz for special display of 4,000). Sometiomes the Proz staff apologizes for computer glitch.
Now, I am not serious about Browniz. I uploaded over 2000 glossaries !
Soonthon L (Thai-Japanese-English, based in Bangkok)


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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This was explained in the Jun 9, 2003

Check these two threads for an explanation.

HTH - Ralf

PS Note that the sentence contains two links.

[Edited at 2003-06-09 07:16]


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Narasimhan Raghavan  Identity Verified
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No automated entries in my case Jun 9, 2003

The two threads mentioned by Ralf deal with automated glossary entries. Mine are all manual, that have been effected on specific instructions on the part of Proz.com as the asker had not entered the same, with a clear mention of 10 BrowniZ. The only possible reason seems to be the removal of my glossary entries by some third party as suggested by Henry. This sort of unilateral action interfering in my glossary is unwarranted and it is requested that the same is set right.


Ralf Lemster wrote:

Check these two threads for an explanation.

HTH - Ralf

PS Note that the sentence contains two links.

[Edited at 2003-06-09 07:16]


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Parrot  Identity Verified
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Not for Narasimhan, but perhaps for a few other cases Jun 9, 2003

I've noticed than when I have to edit a glossary entry as moderator, the BrowniZ given to that person disappear.

I don't like "taking" BrowniZ this way, and for that reason leave the glossary entries to either asker or answerer, BUT someone who enters "phrase" or "see below" is likely to lose his BrowniZ in this manner!

Lesson, guys, PLEASE READ WHAT YOU'VE WRITTEN BEFORE YOU CLICK THAT MOUSE!


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Narasimhan Raghavan  Identity Verified
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Now that you mention it I too have seen such instances Jun 10, 2003

When I was quite new to Proz.com I saw such an entry (see below or Phrase) in the vocabulary by one of the answerers. I remember to have made a special mention of this in the form of a new answer to the concerned question, for which Kudoz had been awarded by that time.
If that were the case I feel the moderator who makes such editing should inform the answerer accordingly.
Anyhow, I don't think I made such an error. Three sets of moderators are involved in my case, namely German, French and Italian. Can the person who edited my entries enlighten me as to the reason thereof? Apart from moderators and myself, does anyone else have access to my glossaries?


Parrot wrote:

I've noticed than when I have to edit a glossary entry as moderator, the BrowniZ given to that person disappear.

I don't like "taking" BrowniZ this way, and for that reason leave the glossary entries to either asker or answerer, BUT someone who enters "phrase" or "see below" is likely to lose his BrowniZ in this manner!

Lesson, guys, PLEASE READ WHAT YOU'VE WRITTEN BEFORE YOU CLICK THAT MOUSE!


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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Moderators & site staff can edit glossary entries Jun 10, 2003

If that were the case I feel the moderator who makes such editing should inform the answerer accordingly.

Which we normally do, unless it's a spelling error. (Remember that all moderators are volunteers running their own businesses - sending a message simply because someone made a spelling mistake would take too much time, particularly since you cannot know who made the entry.)

Three sets of moderators are involved in my case, namely German, French and Italian.

KudoZ moderators cover language pairs - there isn't a German moderator, for example.

Can the person who edited my entries enlighten me as to the reason thereof?

TBH I don't think that anyone would remember every edited glossary entry...

Apart from moderators and myself, does anyone else have access to my glossaries?

ProZ.com site staff do, but very rarely make changes in this respect. There's one thing you should bear in mind, however: although the glossary entries are shown under your name, they're not *yours*, but open to site users. As such, they should be correct - however, a quick check of your German>English glossary entries shows quite a number of spelling errors ("Umlauts", "ß" vs. "ss", others...). I suggest you check & correct yourself to avoid loss of BrowniZ.

Best regards, Ralf


[Edited at 2003-06-10 05:20]


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Rick Henry  Identity Verified
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Minor point/question. Jun 10, 2003

Ralf Lemster wrote:
Apart from moderators and myself, does anyone else have access to my glossaries?

ProZ.com site staff do, but very rarely make changes in this respect. There's one thing you should bear in mind, however: although the glossary entries are shown under your name, they're not *yours*, but open to site users. As such, they should be correct - however, a quick check of your German>English glossary entries shows quite a number of spelling errors ("Umlauts", "ß" vs. "ss", others...). I suggest you check & correct yourself to avoid loss of BrowniZ.

Are we actually distinguishing between personal glossaries and general Kudoz glossaries? If we aren´t, I can imagine a problem cropping up:
Say I create a personal glossary named job-no-387 (not that I would, but I can´t find anything in the FAQ saying I´m not allowed to). In this glossary I have an entry for ¨marketable¨ translated a specific way, because for this job that´s the way the client wanted it translated, even though there is more than one way to translate that particular word. Now let´s say a moderator comes along and sees my translation for marketable, but thinks one of the other translations available is a better option and changes it. Even if the moderator contacts me and says s/he changed my entry, do you think that´s acceptable? I don´t. If it´s a public glossary, then by all means I say ¨OK¨, but for personal glossaries, I think that only the user should have the right (notice I didn´t say ability) to change his/her entry.
Granted, this is probably a highly unlikely scenario, but I think at some point it should be addressed.


[Edited at 2003-06-10 14:43]


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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A distinction is made Jun 10, 2003

Are we actually distinguishing between personal glossaries and general Kudoz glossaries?

We are - if you define "personal glossaries" as those you upload to the site, it's extremely unlikely that a moderator would come across any of those entries, let alone change it.

Glossary entries based on KudoZ questions, which are shown under "your" glossaries, are a different story: mods generally look at glossary entries and edit if necessary, but I would always discuss this with the asker and/or the chosen answerer, unless we're just talking about a spelling mistake.

Editing the KudoZ glossaries is a necessity to enhance quality; I expect Henry to address this issue with the upcoming review of the KudoZ design and functionality.

Does that clarify it?

Best regards, Ralf


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