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Discussion entries will be limited to 1200 characters
Thread poster: Enrique Cavalitto

Enrique Cavalitto
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Feb 17, 2009

Dear members,

A modification requested by site members was implemented on the discussion entries to KudoZ questions: they will be now limited in length to a maximum of 1200 characters.

Users writing a discussion entry will see a counter indicating the characters still available.





Kind regards,
Enrique


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Riccardo Schiaffino  Identity Verified
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Why? Feb 18, 2009

Another solution in search of a problem, I suppose.

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Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
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Including links? Feb 18, 2009

Will this still allow sufficient space to post a comment plus link?

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Kim Metzger  Identity Verified
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Everybody pays for the sins of a few? Feb 18, 2009

I can imagine individuals abusing this feature with outlandishly long discussions, which then detract from the question, but instead of punishing everybody, the site should allow moderators to step in and use their good judgment and handle any gross abuses on a case-by-case basis. It would also be nice if in the future, such decisions were made after a public discussion instead of being told a modification was requested by site members.

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Katalin Horváth McClure  Identity Verified
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So what, people will post a series of those comments... Feb 18, 2009

I agree with others before me - I see no point in this limitation.
Even with this limit in place, people can break up their lengthy posts and write them as a series of single comments... So, what are we achieving with this?

The discussion feature was implemented precisely because there was a need to be able to discuss the translation of some terms - opening a forum thread for every one of those was not practical, and none of the other fields on the KudoZ page served this purpose.
I feel we are going back to square one.

If there is a need for such limitation because people are using the Discussion field for other than what the KudoZ question is about, then Moderators should be able to step in, and hide comments, and/or apply administrative actions just the same way as with any other field on the KudoZ pages.

Katalin


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Enrique Cavalitto
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It should be enough Feb 18, 2009

Nicole Schnell wrote:

Will this still allow sufficient space to post a comment plus link?


Hi Nicole,

1200 characters should be enough for that. To give you an example, your post quoted above has 68 characters and Kim's has 440.

Regards,
Enrique


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Juan Jacob  Identity Verified
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More than enough... Feb 18, 2009

...IMO.
And if not, we always can make another entry.
Where's the problem?


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Jessica Noyes  Identity Verified
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Link to Site Members' Discussion, Please Feb 18, 2009

Hi Enrique, I would like to read the discussion which led to this being put in place. Would you mind posting the link so I/we can see the pros and cons which were brought up? This would keep me from reiterating a point that someone else already made.
Thank you and Gracias


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Stéphanie Soudais  Identity Verified
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don't see the point either Feb 18, 2009

Katalin Horvath McClure wrote:


Even with this limit in place, people can break up their lengthy posts and write them as a series of single comments... So, what are we achieving with this?




Agree, it won't prevent people from posting several discussion entries in a row and it will just make it harder to follow the thread.

Stéphanie


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Tomás Cano Binder, CT  Identity Verified
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Entirely agree! Feb 18, 2009

Enrique wrote:
A modification requested by site members was implemented on the discussion entries to KudoZ questions: they will be now limited in length to a maximum of 1200 characters.


Come on folks, we are translators! We are surely able to make a point, provide reference information and explain our opinion in well under 1200 characters?

When I see a long discussion entry or an ultra-long forum post, I have no option but to ignore it. I would love to see a shorter, more condensed explanation. I do not pretend to tell anyone what to do: I just want to express that I would love to read all points of view but can't, if expressing a point of view within a conversation takes 400 words...


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Charlie Bavington  Identity Verified
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Enrique said nothing about discussion Feb 18, 2009

Jessica Noyes wrote:

Hi Enrique, I would like to read the discussion which led to this being put in place. Would you mind posting the link so I/we can see the pros and cons which were brought up? This would keep me from reiterating a point that someone else already made.

He said it was a "modification requested by site members".

So I guess that if some site members request that it is modified back to how it was, that should be sufficient, since a request is apparently all it takes.

(I can only guess there must have been some 'abuses' happening in pairs I never look at, since it certainly seems to serve absolutely no useful purpose whatsoever. Even if people have been rambling, unless there is also a restriction on the number of comments made within a certain time period, this change does nothing whatsoever to stop that. As much use as a chocolate teapot/ashtray on a motorbike, etc.)


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Aniello Scognamiglio  Identity Verified
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Is ProZ running out of server space? ;-) Feb 18, 2009

Nor do I see a point in this limitation, nor do I see a point in this feature AT ALL.
Less is more!

Dear decision makers, developers and fellow translators,
there are more important things in ProZ life, let's implement the things that are really useful and professional. Sometimes, I feel like in a kindergarden.


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Siegfried Armbruster  Identity Verified
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It is not the WHAT but HOW things are communicated that make a difference Feb 18, 2009

Enrique wrote:
A modification requested by site members


As usual, there is no reference to a discussion or a reason; the term "site members" seems to be used as an excuse to implement anything.

When I was younger, and into politics, we called this technique "first class burial", you just unload the responsibility for a decision onto a group that cannot be touched or questioned - in our case "requested by site members".

In my opinion, not a very nice technique, and easy to see through but still often used in cases where people just want to pin responsibilities to somebody else.

I'm not saying that PROZ is handling issues using this kind of techniques deliberately, but the reader of PROZ Announcements could sometimes get this impression. Improving the style of communication might be key to change the way how PROZ is perceived by some of its users.






[Edited at 2009-02-18 11:39 GMT]


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Paul Cohen  Identity Verified
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Useful changes, please Feb 22, 2009

This seems to be a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. If there have been abuses in the length of KudoZ discussion entries, I certainly haven't noticed them.

It's not so much the decision itself that is disconcerting but the way that it has been made. There doesn't appear to have been any public discussion of this. As Ronald Reagan used to say, "Now, there you go again…"

Instead of tinkering with things that seem to make little or no difference, I'd suggest implementing some of the changes that site members have been requesting for ages. For instance, it continues to amaze me that it's impossible to search the directory according to members' KudoZ acceptance rates (which could be calculated as the number of questions answered divided by the number of pointZ) instead of merely the total number of pointZ awarded.


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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Why not ask members what they want, and in what priority? Feb 22, 2009

Agree with Paul:

Instead of tinkering with things that seem to make little or no difference, I'd suggest implementing some of the changes that site members have been requesting for ages.


Are there any plans to ask members to prioritise the various items on the 'to do' list?

Ralf


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