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| User | Thread poster: N.M. Eklund Can the KudoZ term search function be improved? (staff: 'OK, improvements made') |
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Edward Bradburn
Germany
Local time: 05:46
  Member (2006)
German to English
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| | Language selection now staying put | Apr 29, 2009 |
Thanks for the speedy fix!
My language selection is now being remembered between searches, bugfix confirmed!
In addition:
-- An option to choose layouts -- specifically, the "old layout" -- would be nice
-- I also second Peter's wish to have a direct link from the Kudoz search to making a Kudoz term request, i.e. a link to http://www.proz.com/ask/ -- possibly with the "Term" field pre-filled.
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LittleBalu
Germany
Local time: 05:46
English to German
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| | Great - but ... | Apr 29, 2009 |
Hi Colin,
Thanks for including the "general" fields as a search option!
I tried the search just now, and there is one point that I don't like at all. After choosing a general field, a list of specific fields appears which does not include ALL of the specific fields but is limited to certain fields. That's not a good idea IMHO because when asking a question, you can combine any general field with any specific field. Restricting the specific fields to certain fields because they seem to relate to a certain general field will result in the same old problem, i.e. not all search results are shown. I want to be able to restrict the search to one general field (say, Tech/Engineering) but want to be able to include ALL of the specific fields at the same time. Too complicated? I hope not.
An example: I searched for "verglast" (again). When restricting the search to "Tech/Engineering", I get two KOG results (one in Mechanics / Mech Engineering (Tech/Engineering), one in Marketing / Market Research (Marketing)). That's strange, because normally I should be seeing only one result (i.e. the one in "Tech/Engineering"). When restricting the search to "Marketing", I get zero results, which is also strange because normally I should be seeing one result here as well (i.e. the one in "Marketing").
Please look into this. Thanks for your help.
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Steffen Walter 
Germany
Local time: 05:46
Member (2002)
English to German
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| | Fully supported | Apr 29, 2009 |
LittleBalu wrote:
I tried the search just now, and there is one point that I don't like at all. After choosing a general field, a list of specific fields appears which does not include ALL of the specific fields but is limited to certain fields. That's not a good idea IMHO because when asking a question, you can combine any general field with any specific field. Restricting the specific fields to certain fields because they seem to relate to a certain general field will result in the same old problem, i.e. not all search results are shown. I want to be able to restrict the search to one general field (say, Tech/Engineering) but want to be able to include ALL of the specific fields at the same time. Too complicated? I hope not.
An example: I searched for "verglast" (again). When restricting the search to "Tech/Engineering", I get two KOG results (one in Mechanics / Mech Engineering (Tech/Engineering), one in Marketing / Market Research (Marketing)). That's strange, because normally I should be seeing only one result (i.e. the one in "Tech/Engineering"). When restricting the search to "Marketing", I get zero results, which is also strange because normally I should be seeing one result here as well (i.e. the one in "Marketing").
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I fully support your reasoning and have just notified staff to this thread to draw their attention to the issue. The selection of a general field should not in any way limit the specific fields available by default.
Steffen
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LittleBalu
Germany
Local time: 05:46
English to German
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Hi Colin,
I discovered another bug just now.
I searched for "effectiveness", restricting the general field to "Social Sciences" but including all of the specific fields contained in the list under "Social Sciences".
The search returned results in any of the specific fields included in the list but entirely disregarded the fact that I had limited the search to "Social Sciences". I got results in "Tech/Engineering", "Bus/Financial" and "Medical" even though these should have been excluded by restricting the general field to "Social Sciences". None of the results was in the general "Social Sciences" field (which may be due to the fact that there is no entry for "effectiveness" in that field, but may also point to yet another bug).
Looks like there is more work for you to do to make the search work properly.
Thanks for your help.
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Colin Brady
Australia
Local time: 23:46
French to English
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| | Quick update | Apr 30, 2009 |
Hi All,
Thanks for posting. Quick update.
1. I understand the need to be able to select more than one specific field that each fall under different general fields. I'll add this option as soon as I can.
2. Hi littlebalu. It might help to know that the search doesn't actually search using the general field you have selected, it uses the specific fields selected. The general fields are just a quick way to drill down to relevant specific fields.
Colin
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Steffen Walter
Germany
Local time: 05:46
Member (2002)
English to German
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| | General/broad field(s) only | Apr 30, 2009 |
Colin wrote:
2. Hi littlebalu. It might help to know that the search doesn't actually search using the general field you have selected, it uses the specific fields selected. The general fields are just a quick way to drill down to relevant specific fields. Colin |
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Hi Colin,
If I understand your statement above correctly, each general field is "dependent upon" (i.e. linked to) a certain set of specific fields. However, we'd also require a search option using one or more general fields only whilst completely disregarding specific fields.
Steffen
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LittleBalu
Germany
Local time: 05:46
English to German
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Colin wrote:
2. Hi littlebalu. It might help to know that the search doesn't actually search using the general field you have selected, it uses the specific fields selected. The general fields are just a quick way to drill down to relevant specific fields. |
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Hi Colin,
Thanks for responding.
In my view, it doesn't make much sense to use the general fields merely for narrowing down the specific fields. To make the search truly effective, we would need to be able to search: -
a) using the general fields only while disregarding the specific fields;
b) using one general field and ALL of the specific fields;
c) using one general field and certain specific fields only (to be chosen by the person who is doing the search, not limited by default);
d) using one or more specific fields only while disregarding the general fields (or not selecting a general field).
I don't know if this is feasible in terms of programming. Thanks for bearing with me.
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Terejimenez
Colombia
Local time: 23:46
Member (2006)
English to Spanish
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| | I agree with you | Apr 30, 2009 |
Is there any way to change to the old interface ?
Thank you
morellaC wrote:
i really don't like the new layout of the page.
I can hardly find the search options and it's just....badly organized....
Please go back to the old way, it was so much better! |
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Colin Brady
Australia
Local time: 23:46
French to English
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| | Is there something in particular that is bothering you about the new interface? | Apr 30, 2009 |
Hi Terejimenez,
Thanks for posting. There is no way to return to the old interface. Is there something in particular that is bothering you about the new interface?
Colin
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casey
Japan
Local time: 13:46
Member
Japanese to English
| | Incredibly slow for multi-byte characters | May 1, 2009 |
The web term search is hundreds of times faster. The KudoZ term search is unbelievably slow when searching for Japanese terms (and Chinese and Korean terms, I'm sure).
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Mette Melchior
United Kingdom
Local time: 04:46
Member
English to Danish
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| | Ability to search for translations in multiple target languages? | May 1, 2009 |
Hi Colin!
I just discovered this thread and there's actually something I have been thinking about for some time in relation to the search function:
I would love to be able to make a term search and receive results from several languages at the same time. Since I work in a small language pair, the possibility of finding something useful is sometimes rather limited. However, it can be really helpful to see results from other closely related languages, or other languages I command, since this can often help me to find an equivalent Danish term or provide some useful info. In my case, for example, I would like to be able to search English>Danish, English>Swedish, English>German and English>Spanish at the same time.
Am I the only one missing such a feature?
It would be great if the search function could support searching several language pairs at the time. If it is not feasible to support an unlimited number of target languages, the possibility to choose up to 3 would also be very much appreciated. Thanks for all your efforts!
[Edited at 2009-05-01 07:57 GMT]
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Colin Brady
Australia
Local time: 23:46
French to English
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| | Fields update coming soon | May 1, 2009 |
Hi LittleBalu, Steffen,
Thanks for posting. I'm working on a solution that will allow any combination of general and specific fields. This will likely be out on Monday.
Hi Mette,
Thanks for posting. As you may have noticed, the term search has recently been updated to allow non-members to search without having to specify a language pair. In addition to this, I have just released an update that allows searches in "My languages". Does this address your need?
Update on character set issue: I am currently converting all non-Unicode KudoZ questions to Unicode so they can effectively be searched using the term search. It's a slow process, but when completed, the non-Unicode KudoZ questions asked prior to March 2006 will be searchable.
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Mette Melchior
United Kingdom
Local time: 04:46
Member
English to Danish
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| | Searching language pairs which are not working languages | May 2, 2009 |
Hi Colin
I have indeed seen the new search interface and it has really been improved and is much easier to use now. However, the ability to choose "My languages" doesn't provide exactly what I was looking for, since the other language pairs I would like to be able to search simultaneously are not my working languages.
I.e. if I would like to search EN>DA, EN>SV and EN>DE for a specific term, I would have to do three separate searches searches as it is now, since EN>DA is the only language pair I actually work in. What I would like to be able to do is to search other target languages as well to increase the possibility of finding terminological help or info that might help me on the way. So it wouldn't help to use the "My languages" search option. Can you see what I mean?
I guess an option might be to add these other language pairs as "interest pairs" in my profile. Then I reckon they would also be included under "My language pairs" here, and thus allow me to search the pairs simultaneously with this new function.
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Roseanne Gaspari
United States
Local time: 21:46
Member (2003)
French to English
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| | Select text in the term search | May 4, 2009 |
I really like all the improvements you guys have made to the Term Search screen. I would just like to have the text selected when I return to the term search field each time, similar to how IATE does it. This would save me from having to triple click each time. Hope it's possible!
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Irina Dicovsky
Argentina
Local time: 01:46
Member
English to Portuguese
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| | getting worse by the day | May 4, 2009 |
I was using proz search today and I already hate this new format, shifted to the left of the page, when it suddenly changed... "General fields (0/-), specific fields (0/-), resources to search (-/-) just popped up in the central upper part of the page (and actual answers WAY below). I tried to eliminate this option, to no avail.
Five thumbs down. (
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