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theft of browniz
Thread poster: Ken Cox
Ken Cox  Identity Verified
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Oct 26, 2002

Once again, I have responded to a \'Congratulations\' e-mail with containing the message \'the asker did not enter the term in to the glossary...\', only to find that someone else has already saved me the trouble. Most recently, the elapsed time between my posting the selected answer and responding to the Contgratulations e-mail was less than 24 hours.



I can understand that some people may feel that they are doing everyone a favour by posting glossary entries when the asker and answerer have neglected to do so, but I find making a glossary entry for another person\'s answer within less than 24 hours grossly rude.



Would it not be possible to implement a lockout time, so that only the asker or the answerer could post a glossary entry within (say) 24 hours of an answer being accepted?



best regards -- ken


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Monika Coulson  Identity Verified
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Sometimes... Oct 26, 2002

...the asker enters the term in the glossary. He/she is given a chance to do that as well.





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Bryan Crumpler  Identity Verified
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Survival of the fastest... Oct 26, 2002

The system is set so that anyone with over 100 BrowniZ has the option _and_ the right to enter, change or modify glossary terms at any time after the asker grades the question. Because your answer is chosen doesn\'t _solely_ right you to those points or that opportunity to enter them, especially considering there are multiple avenues for achieving those points at any time - unlike KudoZ. It\'s only theft if someone is able to transfer points from your account and into theirs.



Furthermore, as far as I know, anyone up to this point can accept or decline answers. God forbid anyone who has not asked the question to come in and accept their own answer as a means of getting more KudoZ. _That_ is truly rude and an outright violation. Entering unentered glossary terms on the whole is hardly considered rude, but rather a contribution to the ProZ community.



If people are quicker than you to enter the terms, the best thing to do is move on and get over it. You can enter one of your own terms to make up for it. The last I checked, having answered a question on the forum is not a pre-requisite for entering a term into the glossary to get your 10 points (THOUGH, we do hope some discretion is involved). Entering terms with a completely wrong translation would set people back.


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Armando Pattroni  Identity Verified
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The asker has its chance. Oct 27, 2002

The first person who has the chance to enter a term into a glossary is the asker him/herself. At the same time that the asker is required to grant points, he/she is asked to enter the edited answer to the glossary. If he/she does not do it, I think another person has the chance to do that. After reading your post, I have found KudoZ questions more than a year old that have not been entered into any glossary. That is waste.

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Vladimir Dubisskiy  Identity Verified
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no, Monica, it's different Oct 27, 2002

recently it has happened to me several times.You are \"invited\" to enter the term but when accessing the page you see that you can not do that.

I believe this is a system glitch of some kind, not a theft.

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On 2002-10-26 22:30, monika wrote:

...the asker enters the term in the glossary. He/she is given a chance to do that as well.







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Claudia Iglesias  Identity Verified
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I have already seen this Oct 27, 2002

I remember a topic when somebody complained, and in fact it was somebody else, may be a moderator, who was entering all new answers in the glossary, and as soon as he noticed he was doing so too fast, he apologized and stopped.

It would be interesting to know if it only happens in one pair of languages.


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JCEC  Identity Verified
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Let's not go overboard Oct 27, 2002

The \"Congratulations\" e-mail is sent to the lucky translator as soon as the asker accepts his suggestion. But, as far as I know, nothing prevents the asket to enter the term in the KudoZ Glossary as an afterthought. In which case it may perceived as \"theft\" while it is a perfeclty legitimate action.

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Endre Both  Identity Verified
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There are easier ways to get Brownies Oct 27, 2002

You can enter terms into the glossary outside the Kudoz process and you get the usual 10 Brownies for each term entered. This way, you can make more Brownies than you will ever need. Just click on \"Enter terms\" in the lower left corner of your profile page.



As to Kudoz questions, I could not care less about who enters my answers into the glossary (provided the entry is correct). In my view, the most natural solution would be for the asker to make the entry when he/she awards the points - this way the answerer does not have to go back to the question. The reason why I often refrain from doing so is that some answerers consider this a privilege of theirs and are upset when the asker does it for them.


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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Spot on - this is not really an issue, is it? Oct 27, 2002

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As to Kudoz questions, I could not care less about who enters my answers into the glossary (provided the entry is correct).



Precisely - as long as the chosen entry is correct. That is the purpose of the glossary-building exercise behind KudoZ.

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Catherine Bolton  Identity Verified
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not a moot point Oct 27, 2002

The BrowniZ issue is not negligible, because at a certain point you can spend them (if you have enough) when renewing your platinum membership. So I can understand why someone would be angry if some earns \"chits\" wrongfully.



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Parrot  Identity Verified
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Browniz are given for help in the glossary-building process Oct 27, 2002

as I understand it. As a moderator, I appreciate the help and personally respect the option. I do NOT enter other people\'s answers, but I correct any possible mistakes and ambiguities that come up when they do. This makes me mindful that, many times, I have to leave graded questions \"open\" glossary-wise, because neither the asker nor the answerer bothered to enter the final term.



This relates to something I said previously in the Spanish forum about the possibility of earning more browniz, seeing that some people DO need the help they contribute towards acquiring Platinum membership and other benefits. It is always possible to backtrack your asker/answerer history under the option \"see more questions\" by clicking on the lines \"your questions\" and \"your answers\". Your answers are also accessible for entering and editing from your personal profile, through the \"Kudoz\" index. Each answer you enter gives you 10 browniz.



I have thus urged members to help do some \"housecleaning\" when they could, in their spare time. 50 browniz a day isn\'t too much effort, and we all really appreciate the results.





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Ken Cox  Identity Verified
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reply Oct 27, 2002

Looks like I stepped on a few sore toes...



In this case, the Congratulations message said the asker did not the term into the glossary. It may well be that he or she did so as an afterthought, and if so, I\'m not upset (but I can\'t know that...).



Otherwise, I have nothing at all against someone entering a selected answer of mine into as many glossaries as they wish, but I think that it is only polite to give the answerer a reasonable chance to be the first to do so if the asker does not make an entry.


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Red Cat Studios
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But in the other hand, how many terms lost... Oct 27, 2002

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On 2002-10-27 10:38, cbolton wrote:

The BrowniZ issue is not negligible, because at a certain point you can spend them (if you have enough) when renewing your platinum membership. So I can understand why someone would be angry if some earns \"chits\" wrongfully.







That\'s true, but on the other hand, if a term is not filed in a Glossary before it \"leaves\" Proz pages, it will be lost to the Proz community. Some translators just do not bother about \"browniz\" (all they want is \"Kudoz\"). I used in the past to check the Kudoz pages and enter the last terms on page therefore thretened with extinction...



Sometime the flow of terms on Proz is so important that Pro and Easy Kudoz pages are filled up in less than 24 hours, so I don\'t think that setting a dedicated time for exclusive use would be a good idea.

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Jacek Krankowski  Identity Verified
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Reply to Dan Oct 27, 2002

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On 2002-10-27 16:56, Dan LP wrote:

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if a term is not filed in a Glossary before it \"leaves\" Proz pages, it will be lost to the Proz community.





Terms are hardly lost as



(1) when viewing KudoZ pages you can program (a) specific language pair, (b) easy/pro, (c) open/closed, (d) view up to 500 last items. I suppose that even in major language pairs viewing 500 last open pro questions takes you months back in time;



(2) KudoZ Glossary shows all terms asked, either edited or not edited.

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Beth Kantus  Identity Verified
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maybe not outright theft, but... Oct 27, 2002

I can understand Ken\'s frustration, even though I can see the validity of some of the points that others made.

In the past I tended not to enter the term in the glossary in order to leave that opportunity to the person who provided the most helpful answer.

However, if I understand the thread postings correctly, anyone at all, even someone who didn\'t provide an answer or someone outside the language pair, can go in and enter a term in the glossary. Or someone whose answer was not chosen (because it was not the best one, or perhaps even because it was just wrong) can go in and post his answer or any other term for that matter. And anyone can even go in change previous entries (do they earn points for that?)

My concern is not who gets the Browniz, but instead what effect that has on the accuracy and ultimately the usefulness of the glossary itself.

Perhaps I have misunderstood the setup, but if not, has anyone thought about those implications?


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