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Thread poster: RHELLER
RHELLER
United States
Local time: 16:45
French to English
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Dec 20, 2006

KudoZ should be used for requesting terms help only after other resources have been exhausted.

general site rules

2 Mutual respect, professionalism and fair play are expected. Site users are expected to treat each other with courtesy, whether posting publicly or making direct contact, and are advised to act under the assumption of good faith.


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William [Bill] Gray  Identity Verified
Norway
Local time: 00:45
Member (2006)
English
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Good point, Rita Dec 20, 2006

I agree. Sometimes it appears that some of our colleagues use KudoZ as a FIRST line of defence!

But we all respond so willingly that it probably promotes the fault! I would probably be a guilty one here. I love the challenge of translation, therefore it's difficult not to "wade in".

In terms of your quotation from the rules, I must say that I have always felt myself treated with respect and professionalism, even when people have strongly disagreed with me.

I think ProZ is great!

Happy Christmas!!

Bill


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Henry Hinds  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 16:45
English to Spanish
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Research Dec 21, 2006

I agree with Bill, I've always received good treatment here, and the large number of questions has provided me with a good opportunity to earn points, but...

I think many colleagues could do well to spend some time on their own research before asking colleagues. The answers to so many questions are at our fingertips, yours as well as mine.

Plus, those points have not bought me so much as a cup of coffee to date. One of the important skills in our profession is to learn how to do research on the Net. It is there for all of us.


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Michèle Ménard  Identity Verified
Italy
Local time: 00:45
French to Italian
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Too many questions in a row Dec 21, 2006

Personally, I find it annoying when a series of questions on the same concept is posted by the same asker (it happens more and more often lately).

It seems like he/she doesn't even bother to try and search something which must be somewhat the core of his/her text and even if the answer would be very easy, I prefer not to give it.


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Dr. Jason Faulkner  Identity Verified
Local time: 17:45
Member (2006)
Spanish to English
X-Box for Word Nerds Dec 21, 2006

I agree with Bill. It's a nice mental challenge and it helps the community (in theory). I first found ProZ because a google search landed me in the KudoZ section.

I have also seen people react in strange ways to comments. I avoid "disagrees" for that reason, unless the answer is really off base. I think it's an internet phenomenon. The anonymity provided allows people to revert to unsocial behavior. It's like driving in Mexico City (or Lima, Manilla, or Sao Paulo, take your pick): look straight ahead, and ignore all the etiquette your mom taught you.

Then again, that's why I use the Metro.

SaludoZ!

Jason


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transparx  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 18:45
English to Italian
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isn't this what Kudoz is for? Dec 22, 2006

Michèle Ménard wrote:

Personally, I find it annoying when a series of questions on the same concept is posted by the same asker (it happens more and more often lately).

It seems like he/she doesn't even bother to try and search something which must be somewhat the core of his/her text and even if the answer would be very easy, I prefer not to give it.




There is a limit to the questions one can ask. Why even get annoyed?


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OneTa  Identity Verified
China
Local time: 07:45
Member (2006)
Japanese to English
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Different members have different needs Dec 22, 2006

The reason why I joined Proz is to ask KudoZ questions.

I totally agree that KudoZ should be used for requesting terms help only after other resources have been exhausted.

However, sometimes there is a deadline issue, as well as the asker's translation competency including search skills.

I believe that over time, the asker can ask a better question.

I work mainly for Japanese->English pair. In this pair I am treated very well with proz members and have learnt a lot including search skills. Sometimes bad questions produced good answers.

Due to purposes for joining Proz, some members may never asker a KuodoZ question, some members may ask a lot.

Personally I think it is acceptable for an asker to ask questions in a row.


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Ana SIERRA VINUESA
Spain
Local time: 00:45
Member (2006)
English to Spanish
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Anonymity and behaviour Dec 22, 2006

"The anonymity provided allows people to revert to unsocial behavior. It's like driving in Mexico City (or Lima, Manilla, or Sao Paulo, take your pick): look straight ahead, and ignore all the etiquette your mom taught you"



I like this psychological point of view that Jason points out. It is true, to response is easy, sometimes sharply and proudly and nobody see you. It is one internet phenomenon and not only Kudoz or Proz related....But in general, people is nice and polite. Sometimes, and in the late times i find to much easy questions (already asked, exposed in the glossaries..) or just non related to the especialised forum. Somebody should "regulate" that in any way.
SaludoZ
Ana.


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Andrea Riffo  Identity Verified
Chile
Local time: 20:45
English to Spanish
Depends on the chain asker Dec 23, 2006

Michèle Ménard wrote:

Personally, I find it annoying when a series of questions on the same concept is posted by the same asker (it happens more and more often lately).

It seems like he/she doesn't even bother to try and search something which must be somewhat the core of his/her text and even if the answer would be very easy, I prefer not to give it.



I have certainly seen quite a few series of questions by the same person but it doesn't always annoy me, because -from what I've seen so far- there are three types of chain askers:

1.- Those who ask tricky and/or really hard questions. In this case, it seems to me that they have really tried to find the answer themselves but have been unable to, or are running out of time, so they turn to KudoZ as a last resort and probably prefer to ask everything at once. These people usually wait some time before closing the question because they understand that the seemingly right -and easy!- answer is not necessarily the correct one.

2.- Those who ask a string of questions, usually each of them related to the last one (sometimes it is blatantly obvious), usually asking about whole sentences instead or specific terms. Also, they usually pick the very first answer they get -understandable, given that it tends to be as easy as resorting to a somewhat decent bilingual dictionary- and it is not unusual to see them close the question whithin an hour. I skip throught these questions and sometimes even block the askers... I resort to KudoZ relatively often, but at least try to solve the problems on my own and not abuse the system. I think that these are the kind of askers that Rita, Bill, Henry are talking about.

Also, I have found in the middle of types 1 and 2 a mixture of both:

3.- People who ask tricky or hard questions, but in N°2 format (each of them related to the other, whole sentences instead of specific terms, etc), in which case I assume that they underestimated the text's difficulty and got way over their heads, or accepted the job knowing that it surpassed their qualifications. Sometimes it annoys me but I would be the world's biggest hypocrite if I said it never happened to me (taking a look at the first questions I ever asked, back when I thought I was qualified to translate into English, should suffice). So far I've come to the conclusion that this is a pretty common beginner's mistake, specially when trying to get the first clients.


Enough said

Happy Holidays everyone!

Andrea


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