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Fiona Grace Peterson  Identity Verified
Italy
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Italian to English
Mar 19, 2007

My apologies if this has been raised before, but I feel it is a common courtesy to thank those who reply to KudoZ questions. Alright so there are points at stake, but I think a simple thank you is the least askers could give, but sadly it seems to be something that precious few bother with. Or is it just an inevitable result of working over the Internet? I do not answer KudoZ questions to receive effusive praise, but sometimes I do wish I'd spent my time doing something a little more gratifying. I'd be interested to hear others' views on this.

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Claire Cox
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Slap in the face Mar 19, 2007

I agree, Fiona. It can be like a slap in the face sometimes, when not only is your answer disregarded but askers make disparaging comments about it! I have to confess that I just stop answering questions from the guilty parties (not very many of them, thank goodness!) Certainly, if you've gone to the trouble of answering a question and putting time and effort into research, then I think the least you should expect is a word of thanks. But maybe we're old-fashioned?

All the best,

Claire


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Kira Laudy
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Not everyone has a kind attitude Mar 19, 2007

I agree with you even if I have to admit that this is not my peculiar case. I mean that it happened to me only a couple of times to get no thanks.
It's a little percentage of unkind people who take the effort of others as granted.

Unfortunately we cannot change people and the ones who were NOT well brought-up following the principles we both know will remain uneducabe.

Of course, it hurts. But if you ignore it you will spare your good mood.

Have a nice day!
ciao ciao
Kira


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Henry Hinds  Identity Verified
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Thanks Mar 19, 2007

Maybe it depends on language pairs, but in mine (EnglishSpanish) it appears that people are generally good at thanking answerers.

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Drmanu49
France
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The least and the most courteous.. Mar 19, 2007

I entirely agree with Claire and Fiona. Some are even courteous enough to thank answerers individually with a little mail.

It even goes to the point that some apologize for the lack of courtesy, rudeness or just plain lack of respect for site rules which is typical of some well known answerers.

I admit I much prefer this polite attitude, especially when my question/answer ratio is 1 : 3000 (I never ask questions).

If that is being old-fashioned, then I sure am very old-fashioned.


[Modifié le 2007-03-19 15:34]


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PAS  Identity Verified
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Manners Mar 19, 2007

Sure, it's nice to be thanked, but there are more important things in life to be worried about.
If you're really upset, just dashboard that asker out of existence.

Then again, sometimes there are questions with lots of discussion, doubts and different ideas floating around. At the end, the question is closed with a single word of "thanks". Now, that's disappointing!

Pawel Skalinski


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Bogdan Burghelea  Identity Verified
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Not for points questions Mar 19, 2007

Sometimes, a variant of the "no thanks for KudoZ" is to grade the question as being "not-for-points", although it is quite difficult.

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ICL  Identity Verified
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Not only Kudoz Mar 19, 2007

Hi Fiona,

I don't participate in Kudoz (or in the forums) so much (lack of time in general), but it has happened to me at least once (in Kudoz or in the forums) that I have taken the time to answer to something and people have not had the courtesy to say thanks or at least comment something.

I guess, like Kira suggested, that maybe it is the way some people were "educated" (???) or maybe people interpret forum or Kudoz participation in a different way.

Perhaps now that you mentioned this it would be interesting that Proz added an "etiquette" or "courtesy" line (like a "warning" note) on the posting message dialog box, encouraging people to acknowledge replies, because I get the feeling that such lack of feedback can discourage some people to offer their help, especially considering that one of the strongest assets of this web site is the help offered by colleagues.

Of course, I am sure that people (will) still help regardless of receiving a thank you reply, but maybe the "camaraderie" in general could improve if more courtesy were encouraged.

Just a thought.

Best regards,

Ivette


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writeaway  Identity Verified

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Imho, the rudest variant Mar 19, 2007

Bogdan Burghelea wrote:

Sometimes, a variant of the "no thanks for KudoZ" is to grade the question as being "not-for-points", although it is quite difficult.


The rudest variant of this is to post the question and when someone answers and gets a sufficient number of peer agrees, to close the question with as reason: Other.
No thanks, no explanation. no glossary entry. Kudozzing at its most selfish.


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Lawyer-Linguist  Identity Verified
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Hear, hear ... Mar 19, 2007

writeaway wrote:

The rudest variant of this is to post the question and when someone answers and gets a sufficient number of peer agrees, to close the question with as reason: Other.
No thanks, no explanation. no glossary entry. Kudozzing at its most selfish.


Yes, colleagues do tend to take others for granted. Very selfish, I agree.

Unfortunately, it's not just limited to KudoZ as I've learnt recently.

But then again, there are bigger fish to fry - not worth getting upset about, just don't participate/help out in future.

[Edited at 2007-03-19 13:37]


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ICL  Identity Verified
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Other: the way the system is designed Mar 19, 2007

writeaway wrote:

The rudest variant of this is to post the question and when someone answers and gets a sufficient number of peer agrees, to close the question with as reason: Other.
No thanks, no explanation. no glossary entry. Kudozzing at its most selfish.


I believe in this case it is a matter of how the Kudoz answer system is set up. A lot of people (including myself) may not be (or might not have been) aware that you need to give an explanation for "Other". Thus, my above suggestion could help clarify this.

For instance, not having asked too many questions in Kudoz, I have asked a couple in which I chose "Other".

In the first case, I was not aware that you had to give an explanation for choosing "Other" (but I had already "thanked in advance" the posters, so for me this counts as a courtesy gesture).

I also chose another "Other" merely because the person who replied did not bother to follow up on the related question I asked based on this person's answer and did not explain anything, so this was rather odd to me.

So, as you see, the system in general may need a bit of polishing in order to encourage netiquette/courtesy/camaraderie...

Regards,

Ivette


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K. Ponnan  Identity Verified
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Kudoz to Tamil translators Mar 19, 2007

I agree, some people here can be really frustrating. They not only forget to say thank you but also play around with points and mark difficult questions easy. Very often pleas to upgrade a question to PRO level fall on deaf ears.

I only joined Proz last year but since that time I had never failed to marvel at how the Tamil translators always thank another fellow translator for Kudoz help. Sometimes I even get a "thank you" note i.e. நன்றி even though all I might have done is just to agree with someone's answer! That is a wonderful feeling. When you answer another person's question, you are actually taking some time off from your busy schedule to do it. So to be thanked for it is a good feeling.

Kudoz to the Tamil translators.

KP


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Narasimhan Raghavan  Identity Verified
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மிக்க நன்றி பொன்னன் அவர்களே Mar 19, 2007

The Tamil title means, Thanks very much Ponnan.

Regards,
N.Raghavan
KPonnan wrote:

I agree, some people here can be really frustrating. They not only forget to say thank you but also play around with points and mark difficult questions easy. Very often pleas to upgrade a question to PRO level fall on deaf ears.

I only joined Proz last year but since that time I had never failed to marvel at how the Tamil translators always thank another fellow translator for Kudoz help. Sometimes I even get a "thank you" note i.e. நன்றி even though all I might have done is just to agree with someone's answer! That is a wonderful feeling. When you answer another person's question, you are actually taking some time off from your busy schedule to do it. So to be thanked for it is a good feeling.

Kudoz to the Tamil translators.

KP


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K. Ponnan  Identity Verified
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Re: Tamil translators Mar 19, 2007

You are welcome Mr. Raghavan. Very often we take time to criticize one another but fail to notice the "little" things but that are equally meaningful in our life.

I remember you as one of the first who had thanked me for something. I am sure there are translators in other language pairs who do the same. Kudoz to all of them.

KP


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Mónica Algazi  Identity Verified
Uruguay
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The other side Mar 19, 2007

I agree with Henry Hinds. The English-Spanish-English colleagues are remarkably polite -even to some askers with incredible spelling mistakes! No complaint here.

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