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What if the asker chooses the obviously wrong answer?
Thread poster: LoyalTrans

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Nov 23, 2007

Let's face it, there are some entry-level translators who both ask and answer and occassionally the inexperienced asker chooses the wrong answer from the similarly inexperienced answerer. I should say this is really frustrating after I have been in this situation for a couple of times (I am sure that my answer is right). So how do you handle this? Just shrug and leave?

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Jack Doughty  Identity Verified
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email asker Nov 23, 2007

You can send an email to the asker via Proz.com mail. Whether he/she believes you or not, you may never know.
If the wrong answer (in your opinion) has been entered in the glossary, send a message about it to the moderator, who may delete it or change it.
If you think you should have got the points for your own answer, you can't do anything about that.


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LoyalTrans
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avoid the trouble Nov 23, 2007

I tend to avoid the trouble and don't want to make a fuss... Just feel not particularly happy about that.

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Vito Smolej
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You can comment ... Nov 23, 2007

after the question was closed (once, afaik - but that should suffice).

Regards

Vito


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PAS  Identity Verified
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The cynical approach Nov 23, 2007

If someone hands in a bad translation and the client is aware of this, it only serves to weed out the competition.
As long as it doesn't find its way into the glossaries.

As to lost Kudoz points... Well, that's life.

Pawel Skalinski


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writeaway  Identity Verified

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No comments allowed Nov 23, 2007

Vito Smolej wrote:
You can comment ...

after the question was closed (once, afaik - but that should suffice).

Regards

Vito


People used to make comments when a clearly incorrect answer was chosen. But the strict enforcement of rule 3.7 means that the person making such a comment nowadays may find him/herself on the receiving end of sanctions. At best, the comment will simply be removed and at worst, the person making it will receive restrictions or bans on using parts of the site.
In any case, the wrong answer will stay in the glossary. It's maddening and the blunders are doing a lot of damage to the credibility of the site but that's the way things are now.

rule 3.7
Commentary on askers or answerers, and their postings or decisions to post, is not allowed. Comments or insinuations concerning an answerer's or asker's experience or profile, his/her decision to post a certain question or answer, grade or close a question in a certain way, make a certain glossary entry, etc., are strictly prohibited (whether posted publicly, made directly to the person in question, or made to another site user).
http://www.proz.com/?sp=siterules&mode=show&category=kudoz_answ


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Marie-Hélène Hayles  Identity Verified
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disagreeing with the chosen answer and giving your reasons why is permitted Nov 23, 2007

You can agree (or disagree) with an answer in the glossary at any time (I recently did so on one that was posted about 4 years ago). The rules don't permit personal comments, it's true, but there's nothing to stop you stating why you consider a particular answer or glossary entry to be incorrect. In the Italian-English pair, at least, the moderators are encouraging us to improve the glossaries in this way.

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Nikki Graham  Identity Verified
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Disagree with answer chosen Nov 23, 2007

Jack Doughty wrote:

You can send an email to the asker via Proz.com mail. Whether he/she believes you or not, you may never know.


I don't think emailing the asker about his/her choice is allowed, as this surely comes under rule 3.7, which writeaway has stated above.

However, if you haven't already done so, you can disagree with the answer chosen, giving your reasons. As far as I am aware, the asker is sent a copy of this disagree by email, and they may just reconsider if they see that you are emphasising your point.

On the other hand, everyone may just think it's sour grapes.

P.S. I see that Marie-Hélène and I are thinking along the same lines, and I support the idea of disagreeing with answers even years after posting. And agreeing with good answers too, especially if they were NOT chosen.

[Edited at 2007-11-23 10:19]


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Steffen Walter  Identity Verified
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Askers cannot currently track peer grades Nov 23, 2007

Nikki Graham wrote:
However, if you haven't already done so, you can disagree with the answer chosen, giving your reasons. As far as I am aware, the asker is sent a copy of this disagree by email, and they may just reconsider if they see that you are emphasising your point.


Hi Nikki,

Unfortunately this is not the case - askers currently do not receive any notifications of peer grades (only of answers and notes added to answers, as well as of requests in the "Ask the asker" box). On a related note, as desirable as such notifications may be, they would result in too much email traffic IMHO.

My 2c,
Steffen


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Nikki Graham  Identity Verified
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I must be going barmy in my old age... Nov 23, 2007

Steffen Walter wrote:

Nikki Graham wrote:
However, if you haven't already done so, you can disagree with the answer chosen, giving your reasons. As far as I am aware, the asker is sent a copy of this disagree by email, and they may just reconsider if they see that you are emphasising your point.


Hi Nikki,

Unfortunately this is not the case - askers currently do not receive any notifications of peer grades (only of answers and notes added to answers, as well as of requests in the "Ask the asker" box). On a related note, as desirable as such notifications may be, they would result in too much email traffic IMHO.


Because I seem to remember receiving notification of someone disagreeing with an answer another had given to a question I asked at some stage in the distant past. So did it used to happen and now doesn't? Or am I really going totally nuts?

Notification of agrees is not important (and there would be too many of them), but I don't actually see too many disagrees on my rounds through KudoZ, and knowing that someone disagrees with an answer given, and being notified of that immediately, may help the asker. Surely this wouldn't result in too much email traffic.

[Edited at 2007-11-23 10:56]


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Amy Williams  Identity Verified
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I thought this was the case, too Nov 23, 2007

Nikki Graham wrote:

Or am I really going totally nuts?



No - I could have sworn that the asker received notifications of disagrees (and neutrals?). I must be going barmy, too.

[Edited at 2007-11-23 13:27]


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Enrique Cavalitto
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The asker does not select the "best" answer but the "most helpful" one Nov 23, 2007

Hi all,

The asker does not select the "best" answer but the "most helpful" one.

As posted above by Writeaway, comments or insinuations concerning this decision (whether posted publicly, made directly to the person in question, or made to another site user) are forbidden by rule http://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_answ/3.7#3.7

You can disagree with any given answer by means of the Peer grading system if you provide a linguistic reason for your disagreement.

The asker receives a notification when any answer provided to his/her question receives a disagree.

Best regards,
Enrique


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Steffen Walter  Identity Verified
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In this case, I stand corrected Nov 23, 2007

Enrique wrote:
The asker receives a notification when any answer provided to his/her question receives a disagree.


If this is indeed the case, I stand corrected - I had not been aware of this feature at all, given that I ask questions relatively rarely. One more question for clarification: Do askers receive ONLY "disagree" notifications (as opposed to "agrees" or "neutrals")?

Steffen


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xxxFrancis Lee
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Nikki is right Nov 23, 2007

Like Steffen, my first thought was that the Asker receives no such notifications.

But now that I think about it: yes, I do recall being informed when an Answer to my question has been given a Disagree. This does not apply to Agrees or Neutrals, however.

So in fact, Nikki was right - and now I'm glad I showed uncharacteristic reticence in not immediately confirming her barminess!



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Enrique Cavalitto
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Disagree notifications Nov 23, 2007

H Steffen,
Askers receive notifications in case of disagrees only.
Best,
Enrique


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