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Clarification and announcement regarding posting of events in ProZ.com forums
Thread poster: Drew MacFadyen

Drew MacFadyen
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Mar 10, 2009

There has been some discussion lately about the forum rule for event-related announcements. We've discussed this and I can now clarify the following policies to be applied going forward:

* Announcing events via the forums will be allowed. The proper place for such announcements is the "Language Industry Events" forum:
http://www.proz.com/forum/language_industry_events_announcements-16.html

* One announcement may be posted per event. Additional announcements (ex. "reminder", "final call") are not allowed.

* Events should not be announced anywhere else in the forums. An exception is allowed for non-English forums; an event may be posted once, in one non-English forum.

* I have posted the above in a new forum rule: http://www.proz.com/siterules/forum/13#13

Note that we are preparing a calendar to display industry events. This may (or may not) replace the role of the Events forum.

Thank you

Drew


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Attila Piróth  Identity Verified
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Exception: one non-English forum Mar 10, 2009

Hi Drew,

Drew MacFadyen wrote:
* Events should not be announced anywhere else in the forums. An exception is allowed for non-English forums; an event may be posted once, in one non-English forum.


Could you explain the rationale to limiting the announcement to one additional language, without any conditions? For example, an event focusing on a small group of related languages would certainly benefit from a more relaxed event announcement policy. I understand that the plus one language may be a perfectly reasonable choice for most such events, however, you do not mention any other channel (e.g., support ticket) that can be used for events that are, for one reason or another, inherently different.

Drew MacFadyen wrote:
Note that we are preparing a calendar to display industry events. This may (or may not) replace the role of the Events forum.


If the calendar is to replace the Event forum then will there be a place for discussing the events?

Kind regards,
Attila


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Drew MacFadyen
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Clarification Mar 10, 2009

Hi Attila. We had to have a policy and one post in a non-English forum made sense and like you say should accommodate most of the events in our industry. It is also the general forum rule that you cannot make the same post in multiple forums so it should also apply to event postings. We will be updating the FAQ on for forum posters and will provide some text and information on how they might be able to garner additional exposure by working with proz.com.


Thanks

Drew


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Mariella Bonelli  Identity Verified
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Thank you. Mar 10, 2009

Thank you, I truly appreciate this change. I also like the idea of a calendar and I am looking forward to consulting it.
So, everything is like it used to be before the hurricane, except the fact that only one announcement is allowed. Is that right?


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Drew MacFadyen
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Defined the rule better Mar 10, 2009

Thanks Mariella

We previously had not defined the rules for posting of events as clearly as they are now. This lead to some confusion and inconsistency in enforcement and hope that this clarification will resolve those issues. Event posts will be restricted to this Language Industry Events forum (or one non English forum) and may only be posted one time.

Thanks

Drew


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Textklick  Identity Verified
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Events? Mar 10, 2009

Drew MacFadyen wrote:

There has been some discussion lately about the forum rule for **event-related** announcements. We've discussed this and I can now clarify the following policies to be applied going forward.


Hi Drew,

Single posting - and no reminders...

Does this also apply to official Proz events? Conferences/Powwows etc.?

Hopefully not.

Cheers
Chris


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Victor Dewsbery  Identity Verified
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Oh dear ... Mar 11, 2009

... I nearly broke two site rules at once. I just managed to stop myself in time.

In another forum, somebody asked about how to find training to help them develop a special subject in their translating career. A helpful person suggested a university course that I have first-hand knowledge of. But I decided to keep silent, because if I had replied and encouraged the person to look at the university website, this would have broken two site rules at once:

- It would have been a second "announcement", because somebody else mentioned it first (and only one "announcement" is allowed).
- It would have been in the wrong forum (not "Language Industry Events & Announcements")

Strictly speaking, the asker was probably unknowingly breaking a site rule by asking about training in a forum other than "Language Industry Events & Announcements". Or do we need another site rule to tell us where we can ask such questions? Or do we need a catch-all site rule for communication of any kind about questions on career development?

IF IN DOUBT - DON'T


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Christine Andersen  Identity Verified
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Is a café meeting an event? Mar 11, 2009

I think I have kept within the rules.
A local group have been trying to run a monthly informal meeting at a café, which I have posted in the Danish forum. We simply meet up and chat about everything under the sun - work, family, events in town...

In the forum we post about who can come and when, so we can fix a date or cancel, but there is no agenda, and in practice there have never been more than five of us at any one time, although several others are interested.

As I understand it, this is OK if you count each meeting as a separate occasion, but I would hardly call it an event.

Christine


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Vito Smolej
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"Is a caffee meeting an event", "Oh, dear ...", "IF IN DOUBT - DON'T" Mar 11, 2009

Why has everybody been looking over his or her shoulder?!

Curiouser and curiouser ...

[Edited at 2009-03-11 10:51 GMT]


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Walter Landesman
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Powwow Mar 11, 2009

Christine Andersen wrote:

I think I have kept within the rules.
A local group have been trying to run a monthly informal meeting at a café, which I have posted in the Danish forum. We simply meet up and chat about everything under the sun - work, family, events in town...

In the forum we post about who can come and when, so we can fix a date or cancel, but there is no agenda, and in practice there have never been more than five of us at any one time, although several others are interested.

As I understand it, this is OK if you count each meeting as a separate occasion, but I would hardly call it an event.

Christine


I would call that a POWWOW. See http://www.proz.com/powwows


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Textklick  Identity Verified
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Unanswered question Mar 11, 2009

Walter Landesman wrote:

I would call that a POWWOW. See http://www.proz.com/powwows


Hi Drew,

Me too. Hence also my question above.

My essential experience of Powwows has been in Germany where I have attended many. Since they attract not a few people (50 plus) they also draw people in from outside Germany to network (surely a key aspect to Proz going forward?).

Dedicated Prozians have indeed been known to come from as far away as Seattle, Vancouver and Mexico (to say nothing of closer European countries). So that such travelers can optimize their ROI in air fares and leverage added value from their networking experience, thoughtful organizers have traditionally favored announcing these Powwows well in advance.

Since 'forthcoming Powwows' can either 'fall off the bottom of the screen' or only become automatically visible when it is a little late, it has become customary for a second reminder to be issued as a forum (targeted more at potential local attendees).

The result has often been added local and other participants signing up, which is an added incentive for those who wish to invest in coming from a long ways away.

In this context, I would welcome this kind of reminder being made permissible within the scope of 'site jurisdiction'.

We do, after all get many reminders about such matters as 'Voting for the Proz Translation Contest is closing somewhen soon' etc.

Or have I misunderstood this forum?

Cordially,
Chris


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Drew MacFadyen
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Posting rules related to non-ProZ.com events Mar 11, 2009

I have updated the rule to indicate that this is related to non-proz.com events. As some have pointed out here in the thread that Powwows, ProZ.com conferences, trainings etc do not fall under this policy. The addition of "Non-ProZ.com events" hopefully clarifies that.

Regards,

Drew


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Enrique Cavalitto
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Translators' Stammtisch Mar 11, 2009

Christine Andersen wrote:
Is a café meeting an event?

A local group have been trying to run a monthly informal meeting at a café, which I have posted in the Danish forum. We simply meet up and chat about everything under the sun - work, family, events in town...

In the forum we post about who can come and when, so we can fix a date or cancel, but there is no agenda, and in practice there have never been more than five of us at any one time, although several others are interested.


Hi Christine,

You may find interesting Rebekka Gross' concept of the Translators' Stammtisch

Regards,
Enrique


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Christine Andersen  Identity Verified
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Thanks, Enrique Mar 12, 2009

Actually, this is inspired by Rebecca's Stammtisch, though it is still a very modest gathering. Rather smaller than most powwows. I hope it will grow...

But I prefer to distinguish it a little from a powwow, because we have a big annual one in Denmark, a full-day event with a serious agenda. We even had a two-day powwow one year! There has to be time for socialising as well of course. That's just how we do it in our neck of the woods...



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xxxLia Fail  Identity Verified
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one additional language Sep 18, 2009

Attila Piróth wrote:

Hi Drew,

Drew MacFadyen wrote:
* Events should not be announced anywhere else in the forums. An exception is allowed for non-English forums; an event may be posted once, in one non-English forum.


Could you explain the rationale to limiting the announcement to one additional language, without any conditions?




Catalonia is bilingual (Spanish and Catalan) and our association (MET) primarily communicates through English. Not to mention the fact that our "catchment" area is the "Mediterranean". We need, really, to communicate in at least 3 languages.


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