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Subhan Fakhrizada 
Canada
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Tomás Cano Binder, CT
Spain
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| | Politically incorrect | Feb 8, 2009 |
This map would probably raise a lot of complaints among some people. The surface along the Mediterranean coast of Spain where Catalan is spoken according to the map does not match the area Catalan nationalists claim to be Catalan-speaking. You better keep the map hidden from them.
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Tomás Cano Binder, CT
Spain
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| | More politically incorrectness | Feb 8, 2009 |
Basque classified as a Semitic language. Oh my! How they dare? The makers of the map will probably be sued by the Basque government. Basque language in the same group as Hebrew? No way! That will make them jump off their comfortable chairs!
(BTW: The idea that Basque is a semitic language was popular a century ago, but not today. The origin of the language is very uncertain indeed.)
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Anil Gidwani
India
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Great map, Subhan!
I agree with Tomás, though, about its political incorrectness. The source of the map should probably be mentioned, since the URL doesn't indicate its authorship at all.
Luckily, it's politically incorrect in only minor ways, in all probability. And we translators/interpreters, being a global community with such extensive one-on-one interaction, can take such incorrectness with a pinch of salt
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Eleni Makantani
Greece
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| | Substantially incorrect | Feb 8, 2009 |
Since when is Greek a non-Indo-European language?
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Tomás Cano Binder, CT
Spain
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| | Confusing indeed | Feb 8, 2009 |
Eleni Makantani wrote:
Since when is Greek a non-Indo-European language? |
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Yes, it puzzled me too, but I think they created confusion by including Greek separately under "Other Indo-European". I don't see why they are "other".
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Tomás Cano Binder, CT
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| | Politically incorrectness is OK by me! | Feb 8, 2009 |
Anil Gidwani wrote:
Luckily, it's politically incorrect in only minor ways, in all probability. And we translators/interpreters, being a global community with such extensive one-on-one interaction, can take such incorrectness with a pinch of salt
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Yes, indeed. I don't really care whether Basque, German or Hindi is more or less spoken in the next town or 10, 20 or 100 km away from my home. But many politicians in Spain today really keep an eye on these things and are very picky about them. After all, language policies and language-related sentiments is a big part of what keeps them in power.
The question here is whether linguistic knowledge and statistics (I did not say that the map was wrong, and actually I think it's correct in its Spanish part) are compatible with language policies in Spain today.
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philb
United Kingdom
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| | Interesting, but..., | Feb 8, 2009 |
I'd love to see a few of these maps - maybe one with all the different 'immigrant' language communities (might be a bit difficult, there's over 200 in London!) or how about second (and third) language abilities...
Would probably be far too confusing to follow... but I'd be intrigued.
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Eleni Makantani
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| | I got it wrong | Feb 8, 2009 |
Tomás Cano Binder, CT wrote:
Yes, it puzzled me too, but I think they created confusion by including Greek separately under "Other Indo-European". I don't see why they are "other". |
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Ok. I admit I got it wrong. Instead of reading "other Indo-European languages", I read "other non-Indo-European languages" and I got confused.
They may have Greek under "other" languages, because it isn't directly connected to any other language in Europe. No brothers or sisters...
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Tomás Cano Binder, CT
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| | Brothers and sisters! | Feb 8, 2009 |
Eleni Makantani wrote:
They may have Greek under "other" languages, because it isn't directly connected to any other language in Europe. No brothers or sisters... |
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This somehow reminds me of Meditarraneo, Gabriele Salvatore's 1991 movie. "¡Greece, Spain! ¡One sea, one people! ¡Brothers and sisters!"
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chica nueva
New Zealand
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Samuel Murray
Netherlands
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| | Basque not semitic | Feb 8, 2009 |
Tomás Cano Binder, CT wrote:
Basque classified as a Semitic language. Oh my! How they dare? |
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There is a divider line between "Semitic" and "Basque" on the legend, so I suspect they don't really regard Basque as semitic.
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Jenny Forbes
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| | Interesting map ... but | Feb 8, 2009 |
I enjoyed the language map - but what's this about "Scottish"? I thought the language still spoken in the north and west of Scotland, the Isle of Skye and in Ireland (its official language, I think) was called "Gaelic" - am I wrong?
And some would say "What about Cornish?". In fact, Cornish is not truly "spoken" any more, but some scholars learn it and claim to speak it at home. They're mostly soi-disant bards who flounce around Trencrom Hill on midsummer's day wearing draperies, usually over grey flannels and with steel-rimmed spectacles, somewhat spoiling the mystic Druidic effect ...
Jenny
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anisco
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| | Perhaps interesting but at least not complete | Feb 8, 2009 |
Hi Subhan,
the author of the map is the 'World's most popular blogging anesthesiologist' (just go to the homepage to find more information).
The map is not precise enough.
For example: While Sardinian is mentioned as a language (not a dialect), Sicilian is not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_language
As for German: Swiss German and Austrian can be very different from standard German. The map does not reflect the difference.
Best,
Aniello
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B D Finch
France
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| | Wot about Occitane? | Feb 8, 2009 |
I think my local (SW France) Occitane speakers would be cross that the area shown as Catalan/Occ is far too small Provence is not shown as speaking Provencale, but Occ is described as Provencale, which is only one of it's variants. Béarn still lives and is part of Occ.
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