Incidentally, re the 'Persian-family' diaspora, NZ's Language Line interpreting service offers: Dari, Farsi, Kurdish, Pashto and Urdu. I hope I haven't missed any out.
[Edited at 2009-04-28 20:55 GMT]
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Balochi
May 7, 2009
Fabio Descalzi wrote:
Frankly speaking: a layman may tend to think that "Afghans speak Pashto" (ignoring the important reality of Dari, spoken by about half the people in Afghanistan) and "Tajik is a language somewhere in Central Asia".
The purpose of this thread is:Let's help put them closer together! I don't mean to "confuse" each other, or to "mix" them up. But please, let's concentrate on this "Persian trio".
Ah well, Fabio, Behnam, and everyone, I don't know whether the intention of this thread was to stick with Farsi, Dari, and Tajik, or to include Kurdish, Pashto and other Persian family languages. Anyhow, if Pashto is here,perhaps Balochi could be as well. The language is spoken in a wide area, and Pakistan's Balochistan is often in the news. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochi_languagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochistan
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Ethnologue and Persian languages
May 8, 2009
Victor Dewsbery wrote:
The languages and dialects under the heading of Persian/Farsi seem to be immensely rich and complex. Looking at Wiki and Ethnologue, it seems that there are dozens of variants within this language group, and that in some cases the differences are so great that the variants need to be considered as languages rather than dialects. And as so often, the linguistic boundaries do not correspond to the national boundaries, and the assessment of what is a dialect and what is a language is often inextricably bound up with questions of political opinion and ethnic identity.
Hello Victor
I was interested in your reference to Ethnologue. They seem to specialise in lesser-known languages. Do you know anything about their work with Persian languages? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnologue
Lesley
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I appreciate the information you tried to share on Farsi, Dari and Tajiki but do feel the need to correct your text.
It is important to note that Dari is not a dialect of Farsi if anything Dari is more formal than Farsi as words are said as they are written with Iranian Farsi this is not the case which makes Farsi a dialect. However, it is true that during recent years some words are borrowed from other languages in Afghanistan as the cultural departments have been unable to deal with these matters as to so far.
Also Tajiki is considered a language not a dialect at all as it too broad.
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Behnam Koleili wrote:
Dear All,
Native speakers of these languages (or rather variants of Persian language) know that these languages are too close. But this is probably not known to many speakers of other languages.
The Persian language is locally known as
* فارسی (transliteration: Fārsi) or پارسی (Pārsi), local name in Iran, Afghanistan (where it is officially known as Darī) and Tajikistan,
* Tajik, local name in Central Asia.
* Dari, name given to classical Persian poetry and court language, as well as to Persian dialects spoken in Afghanistan, Tajikistan.
Lexical confusion in the West between terms like Farsi, Dari and Tajiki often leads to an underestimation of the breadth of the influence of Persian in Southwest Asia, which is quite important and is a legacy of the millennia-long existence of a Persian cultural sphere, perhaps because this cultural sphere functioned differently than modern nationalism in the West.
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