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Grammar check: anticipative subject
Thread poster: Natalia Zudaire

Natalia Zudaire  Identity Verified
Argentina
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Nov 5, 2004

I know the use of anticipative subject "it", as in: It is a fine sunny day.
now, how do I use it with "they" or "there"?


[Here they should be described the issues......]

[Here there should be described the issues......]


?????

im lost...


natalia




pd: thanks in advance =)


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xxxMichaelRS
Local time: 21:01
... here Nov 5, 2004

[Here they should be described the issues......]

The issues should be described here (or are to be described here)

[Here there should be described the issues......]

...


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ntext  Identity Verified
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They were sunny days. Nov 5, 2004

There were sunny days and there were rainy days.

Here the issues should be described.
OR
The issues should be described here.

I hope that answers your question.

BTW, you should generally post this type of inquiry as a KudoZ question (English monolngual).

[Edited at 2004-11-05 20:08]


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Robert Tucker
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With the aid of a university grammar Nov 5, 2004

Had a look at the grammar book (Quirk and Greenbaum) and it seems 'it' as in 'It is a fine sunny day' is not an anticipative subject but an empty/meaningless 'prop' word "used especially with climatic predications". (Well, actually, in 'it's a fine sunny day', I guess 'it' could just be taken as a pronoun for day. Examples given by Quirk and Greenbaum are: 'It's raining, snowing etc', 'It's getting dark' and 'It's noisy in here'.)

From the examples I can find, 'it' as an anticipative subject refers to an idea or notion which is regarded as singular (please let me know if you can think of any that are not) -

It should be considered that there are many issues arising from this.

'There' (as a neutral introductory subject) in existential sentences must be followed by some form of the verb 'to be' (not a passive construction) -

There should be descriptions of the issues here.

Presumably the fact that:

They, the issues, should be described here

is possible, but not:

x They should be described here, the issues x

(allowable in Romance languages where the verb does not need to be preceded by a pronoun?) is just a matter of accepted word order.

[Edited at 2004-11-06 11:23]


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Henry Hinds  Identity Verified
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I saw your question... Nov 6, 2004

Mándame toda la frase y te la compongo, de gramática no sé nada pero como quiera, sale y vale. No es nada difícil.

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