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Difficulties in literary translation
Thread poster: astrid castellini
astrid castellini  Identity Verified
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Apr 2, 2004

Let's try to discuss about problems and suggest possible solutions

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Roomy Naqvy  Identity Verified
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Good idea Apr 2, 2004

Astrid, good idea for beginning a discussion. Let's see where it goes.
Roomy


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Edwal Rospigliosi  Identity Verified
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Perhaps... Apr 3, 2004

It would be nice if you tell us some of the problems a literary translator faces (besides rates). As a technical translator, I'm not too familiar with them.


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edwal

[Edited at 2004-04-03 16:21]


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Valters Feists  Identity Verified
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Here it is Apr 3, 2004

See a neighbouring thread in this forum about a literary sort of translation problem:

http://www.proz.com/topic/20028


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lien
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Performing Without a Stage Apr 9, 2004

I found that without looking for it (the best way to find) ;D

We do not know who is the author, because it is an extract of the review of a book about literary translation, the author being " an XX customer's review".

Every performing art - acting, singing, dancing, playing an instrument - places the performer on a stage in front of an audience. Every one, that is, except literary translation, the performing of a literary work in a different language. Every performing art has hundreds of books about the people who do it, about its history, its pains and its joys. Every one, that is, except literary translation.

*Performing Without a Stage* is a lively and comprehensive introduction to the art of literary translation for readers of foreign fiction and poetry who wonder what it takes to translate, how the art of literary translation has changed over the centuries, what problems translators face in bringing foreign works into English and how they go about solving these problems.

*Performing Without a Stage* will also be of interest to translators, writers, editors, critics, and literature students, dealing as it does with such matters as the translator's fidelity to the author, the publishing, reviewing, and teaching of translations, the nearly nonexistent public image of the stageless translator, and the value for writers and scholars of studying and practicing translation.

Translation is a truly multicultural event without all the balloons and noisemakers. It enriches not only our personal knowledge and taste, but also our culture's literature, language, and thought. The goal of *Performing Without a Stage* is to give American readers access to the art that gives us access to world literature. And to do it with passion and humor.

Here's a short excerpt from the book's introduction:

Literary translation is an odd art. It consists of a person sitting at a desk, writing literature that is not his, that has someone else's name on it, that has already been written. The translator's work appears to define derivativeness. Would anyone write a book about people who sit in a museum copying paintings? Copiers aren't artists, they're students, wannabes, or crooks.

Yet literary translation is an art. What makes i! t so odd an art is the fact that physically a translator does exactly the same thing as a writer. If an actor did the same thing as a playwright, a dancer did the same thing as a composer, or a singer did the same thing as a songwriter, no one would think much of what they do either.

Like a musician, a literary translator takes someone else's composition and performs it in his own special way. Just as a musician embodies someone else's notes by moving his body or throat, a translator embodies someone else's thoughts and images by writing in another language. The biggest difference isn't really that the musician produces air movements while the translator produces yet more words; it is that a musical composition is intended to be translated into body and throat movements, while a work of literature is not intended to be translated into another language. Thus, although it is practically invisible, the translator's art is the more problematic one. And it is also the more responsible one, because while every musician knows that his performance is simply one of many, often one of thousands, by that musician and by others, the translator knows that his performance may be the only one, at least the only one of his generation, and that he will not have the opportunity either to improve on it or to try a different approach.

And while the translator is shouldering this responsibility and forcing literary works into forms they were never intended to take, he also lacks a stage to do it on. No one can see his difficult performance, except where he slips up. In fact, unlike all other performers, he is praised primarily for not being seen, for having successfully created a palimpsest, two works, one on top of the other, an original and a performance, difficult to tell apart.

We tend to think of the literary translator as someone who's good with languages. Which is like saying a musician is someone who's good with notes. Of course he is, but being good with notes won't make you a good musician; its just one of the ! requirements. To play music, you have to be able to play an instrument, and you have to be sensitive to nuances and understand what combinations of notes mean and are. Similarly, a translator has to be able to read as well as a critic and write as well as a writer. John Dryden said it best back in the seventeenth century: "the true reason why we have so few versions which are tolerable [is that] there are so few who have all the talents which are requisite for translation, and that there is so little praise and so small encouragement for so considerable a part of learning." Not much has changed.


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astrid castellini  Identity Verified
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stylistic gaps? Apr 9, 2004

just going on with literary matters,
how would you translate (into Spanish) this sentence from "Orlando" and be as FAITHFUL as possible to V. Woolf's linguistic and literary style?

"An hour,once it lodges in the queer element of the human spirit,may be stretched to fifty or a hundred times its clock length;on the other hand, an hour may be accurately represented on the timepiece of the mind by one second."

[Edited at 2004-04-11 23:45]


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Rosa Elena Lozano Arton  Identity Verified
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Este es un verdadero reto, pues al traducir puede perderse el contexto Apr 28, 2004

astrid castellini wrote:

just going on with literary matters,
how would you translate (into Spanish) this sentence from "Orlando" and be as FAITHFUL as possible to V. Woolf's linguistic and literary style?

"An hour,once it lodges in the queer element of the human spirit,may be stretched to fifty or a hundred times its clock length;on the other hand, an hour may be accurately represented on the timepiece of the mind by one second."

[Edited at 2004-04-11 23:45]


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astrid castellini  Identity Verified
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reto Apr 29, 2004

[quote]Rosa Lozano Arton wrote:


¿qué tal si empezamos? ¡Claro que es un verdadero reto! Sería bueno que pudiéramos contar con un par de colegas que hagan sus aportes y debatimos al respecto. ¿no te parece, Rosa?


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