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only "full" members with access to the job board are given favored exposure in the directory

Bernhard Sulzer  Identity Verified
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Feb 5, 2012


xxxCMJ_Trans wrote:

Sorry, Henry, but I cannot justify the expense of Platinum membership simply because I do not need to bid for jobs(remember, I came to this site as a client and not as a service provider). Unless my life changes radically (my pension funds all go bust or whatever!), I cannot see the point in my particular case but I'm pretty sure there are lots of others out there who feel the same.


You'll find CMJ_Trans' posting here:
http://www.proz.com/forum/kudoz/31499-platinum_kudoz_answerers_to_be_given_favored_exposure_in_new_leaderboard_kudoz_pages.html


I find myself in a similar situation to xxxCMJ_Trans' that concerns favored exposure in the directory for (only) full members and especially those who are Certified Pros. Outsourcers looking for "professionals" will find those first who are Certified Pros (in order of their KudoZ points), then all members (in order of their KudoZ points but also everybody who has never earned a single KudoZ point) and, in a completely (in)different category, non-members (like me, currently).

I had proposed to pay for a new type of membership (see this forum post of mine - http://www.proz.com/forum/prozcom_suggestions/215306-suggesting_a_different_kind_of_prozcom_membership.html#1867975 ) and directly to Proz.com, paying for Certified Pro-Status which allows the best listing possible, depending on KudoZ points, but not for FULL membership because I do not want to pay for access to the job board or even want to be associated with it (I, as a professional, find most of the rates offered there an outrage and unacceptable) but Proz.com continues to let it go as a laissez faire sort of system, THUS having a big impact on the industry on the whole, allowing cheap labor transactions on the translation market through use of their website. By paying for this job service of Proz.com which I do not wish to use, I would also directly contribute to its continuation in its present form and to continuing, unacceptable rates paid to translators and, in my opinion, to a very likely (and IMO already happening) shift of jobs away from professionals who work for adequate rates to individuals who work for unacceptable low rates (I can't judge how good or bad they are but it is very likely that a lot of newcomers on Proz.com simply take "advantage" of such jobs but are, at the same time, exploited by the outsourcers). It's simply not right, no matter how often we hear from Proz.com that they simply "allow" for this sort of job board and have no influence on the rates. The simple existence of such a huge forum has a major impact on the development of rates. that's just logical.

In any case, my latest request for a type of membership that would grant me retaining my Certified Pro status and my excellent position in the directory was denied and I was told that one MUST be a full member to also be a Certified Pro.
Proz.com did not "make" me a Certified Pro, and frankly, I don't consider this "badge" that important (or as having an excellent image in the industry) but, unfortunately, it propels you to the top of the translator directories.

Although I did not get many jobs from outsourcers who found me in 1st or second place even when I was a member and certified pro, I still considered it a great image tool (in combination with the KudoZ points I had earned and which would be displayed in the directory listings). That's why I was still willing to pay something - despite the fact I also earned the KudoZ points myself, I wasn't just "given" KudoZ points.

I also shared with Proz.com my opinion that I as a professional translator who has successfully contributed to KudoZ for many years am a major "part" of what Proz.com sells, a great asset to display (I don't mean to brag here).

In addition, why would Proz.com not take less money from me for a more restrictive membership that leaves intact and on display the things I have earned myself (certified pro status as well as KudoZ points) while at the same time selling my best "assets" to searchers of the directories. Wouldn't we both win?

But no, it can't be.

I am afraid I will soon also have an xxx in front of my name, voluntarily.
Bernhard


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Siegfried Armbruster
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Reading the fine print is always advisable Feb 5, 2012


Bernhard Sulzer wrote:

I find myself in a similar situation to xxxCMJ_Trans' that concerns favored exposure in the directory for (only) full members and especially those who are Certified Pros. Outsourcers looking for "professionals" will find those first who are Certified Pros (in order of their KudoZ points), then all members (in order of their KudoZ points but also everybody who has never earned a single KudoZ point) and, in a completely (in)different category, non-members (like me, currently).


That is not true. The red P only plays a role in the list if the outsourcer/person performing the search specified this in his search


.... but not for FULL membership because I do not want to pay for access to the job board or even want to be associated with it (I, as a professional, find most of the rates offered there an outrage and unacceptable) but Proz.com continues to let it go as a laissez faire sort of system, THUS having a big impact on the industry on the whole, allowing cheap labor transactions on the translation market through use of their website. By paying for this job service of Proz.com which I do not wish to use, I would also directly contribute to its continuation in its present form and to continuing, unacceptable rates paid to translators and, in my opinion, to a very likely (and IMO already happening) shift of jobs away from professionals who work for adequate rates to individuals who work for unacceptable low rates (I can't judge how good or bad they are but it is very likely that a lot of newcomers on Proz.com simply take "advantage" of such jobs but are, at the same time, exploited by the outsourcers). It's simply not right, no matter how often we hear from Proz.com that they simply "allow" for this sort of job board and have no influence on the rates. The simple existence of such a huge forum has a major impact on the development of rates. that's just logical.


It is ok, that you don't like the way Proz operates, that is called freedom of Speech. Please accept that there are others, that do belive that Proz works, and that the full advantages of the membership should be restricted to full paying members and the biggest advantage is the listing in the directory.


In any case, my latest request for a type of membership that would grant me retaining my Certified Pro status and my excellent position in the directory was denied and I was told that one MUST be a full member to also be a Certified Pro.

You should have read the fine print before getting red P. I did criticize this combination of this so called "certification" with the payed membership from the beginning and it is one of the reasons why I never considered applying for it.


Proz.com did not "make" me a Certified Pro, and frankly, I don't consider this "badge" that important (or as having an excellent image in the industry) but, unfortunately, it propels you to the top of the translator directories.


You still don't get it - ProZ did make you a "certified Pro" what other recognized "translation certification" do you have? E. g. you are not EN 15038 certified. It is their batch and not recognized in the industry with the exception of TWB (which is heavily supported by ProZ). And no, it does not propel you to the top of translator directory. Paid full membership and KudoZ contribution does.



I also shared with Proz.com my opinion that I as a professional translator who has successfully contributed to KudoZ for many years am a major "part" of what Proz.com sells, a great asset to display (I don't mean to brag here).


You do brag here - the main things ProZ sells are:

Access to the Blueboard,
Ranking in the Directory
and their homebrewed red P.
KudoZ is not one of their major selling points, that's why the service is more or less free.


I am afraid I will soon also have an xxx in front of my name, voluntarily.


Interesting, if they don't play it your way, you are threatening to leave the site and leave behind the opportunity that people can find you based on your valuable contributions.

Leaving the site seems to be a better option to you than being "listed" with the other non paying members?

In Germany we do have a saying "Reisende soll man nicht aufhalten"


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Can't afford membership? Feb 5, 2012

Am I missing something here?

Surely any translation professional can justify spending 120 dollars for a year's worth of marketing in one of the top translation market places? Regardless of whether they ever apply directly for jobs or not?


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Agree with JaneD... Feb 5, 2012


JaneD wrote:

Can't afford membership?

Am I missing something here?

Surely any translation professional can justify spending 120 dollars for a year's worth of marketing in one of the top translation market places? Regardless of whether they ever apply directly for jobs or not?


and it's a tax-deductible expense to boot.


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Stanislaw Czech, MCIL  Identity Verified
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Why not buy membership? Feb 5, 2012


JaneD wrote:

Am I missing something here?

Surely any translation professional can justify spending 120 dollars for a year's worth of marketing in one of the top translation market places? Regardless of whether they ever apply directly for jobs or not?


What is the problem with paying for the membership? IMHO at just a bit over $100 it is one of the best investments one can make. To provide us with services ProZ needs income, membership fees are simple and efficient solution.


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José Henrique Lamensdorf  Identity Verified
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Role reversal Feb 5, 2012

Many translation outsourcers have developed the status of imposing their rates, terms, and conditions on translators: take it as-is, or drop it! No other trade that I know has this peculiar setting. I won't delve here into how this situation developed.

The point here is that Bernhard is trying to use the same strategy on Proz, which is unquestionably a privately-owned business. As such, Proz is free to set their T&C, and anyone is free to choose from any use/membership options they have. If Proz goofs while setting their T&C, they'll lose clients, and profits as well, however it's their choice.

I was a Proz user for some 5 years before I became a paying member. The reason is that the demand for my specific language pair was too low here. When it became adequate to justify the investment, I began paying for my full membership. Meanwhile I am a free user of maybe a dozen similar online systems where the demand for my language pair is too low to justify the investment in a paid membership.

So it's just a business decision... on both sides!


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What effect will your proposal have? Feb 5, 2012


Bernhard Sulzer wrote:
I find myself in a similar situation ... that concerns favored exposure in the directory for (only) full members and especially those who are Certified Pros.


Red Pee members do not get special treatment in the directory listings (yet).


Outsourcers looking for "professionals" will find those first who are ... members (in order of their KudoZ points but also everybody who has never earned a single KudoZ point) and, in a completely (in)different category, non-members (like me, currently).


Well, the fact is that there has to be some value for paying members that non-members don't get, otherwise paying members will lose incentive to pay. That is the business model of most of these types of jobs portals -- those who pay (or pay more) get more.

I agree that the situation is a little unfair to those who want to get more value from directory listings but who don't want to feel like they're paying for other site features that they don't need, and perhaps you disagree with the model of cross subsidisation (and perhaps you believe that less popular features will not become underfunded if members have the option to remove them from the list of services that they pay for).

However, the question is: what do you think will happen if ProZ.com creates a membership category for people who want to rank high in the directory results but who pay less than "full" members? Here's what I think will happen: many members who are currently paying the full price will reduce their membership category to that of high-directory-listing membership only. What do you think will happen?


I had proposed to pay for a new type of membership ... which allows the best listing possible ... but not for FULL membership because I do not want to pay for access to the job board...


So what you really want (if I understand correctly) is full membership with the option to get discounts if you switch off your own access to certain features, e.g. the job board, KudoZ, full access to the forums, BB access, and whatnot, right?

How much do you think access to the job board is worth? 5% of the full membership fee? Even as much as 10% perhaps? How about a discounted membership (e.g. given only to users who have been registered for at least 5 years) in which users can become full members but get 5% discount for each of the above services that they deselect? Would that make you happy?


In addition, why would Proz.com not take less money from me for a more restrictive membership that leaves intact and on display the things I have earned myself (certified pro status as well as KudoZ points)...


Do you know of a translator association that allows you to keep your status as certified or accredited translator even if you let your membership to the association lapse?


José Henrique Lamensdorf wrote:
Many translation outsourcers have developed the status of imposing their rates, terms, and conditions on translators: take it as-is, or drop it! No other trade that I know has this peculiar setting. I won't delve here into how this situation developed.


Your comment reminds me:

Perhaps in some language combinations the qualify of offers via the directory is much higher than the quality of offers via the jobs board, but for my own language combination there is little difference between the two. Some posted jobs pay well and some pay peanuts, and some clients who contact me via a directory search offer me good money and some offer me peanuts. Removing the jobs board from my selection of services will not globally improve (by much) the quality of the offers that I get via ProZ.com. In fact, the jobs board gives me the opportunity to gets jobs that might not have been offered to me otherwise.



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Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
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Bernhard: Something such as an "Honorary Membership"? Feb 5, 2012

For "veterans" who consider themselves highly valuable to a particular institution, yet for whatever reason decided not to support this very institution any longer, while demanding the same benefits to continue? I fail to see any logic in this request, I am afraid.

The very moment any of this will apply, I will stop paying my $300.00 per year and I am out of here.

I am also tired of the Red Pee thing. I never applied for it, yet helped about half a dozen colleagues to obtain this useless badge, as if this would certify them as "better" translators.


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Bernhard Sulzer  Identity Verified
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paying for services is okay, but why paying for something you can't support Feb 5, 2012


Siegfried Armbruster wrote:


Bernhard Sulzer wrote:

... Outsourcers looking for "professionals" will find those first who are Certified Pros (in order of their KudoZ points), then all members (in order of their KudoZ points but also everybody who has never earned a single KudoZ point) and, in a completely (in)different category, non-members (like me, currently).


That is not true. The red P only plays a role in the list if the outsourcer/person performing the search specified this in his search



You are right. What I wrote is not quite correct. I thought it was. Not to say that people searching the directory are NOT hitting the P button. It seems if they do, they get two lists, the larger one with members and the second list, with non-members who are Certified Pros (without having the badge displayed), including myself.

When you exclude the "P" in your search, you get the members first who have the most KudoZ points - of which most of the best ones are also Certified Pros. For searchers, the fact that there is a red P in front of your name might make a difference, especially if you don't have so many points.


Siegfried Armbruster wrote:


Bernhard Sulzer wrote:

.... but not for FULL membership because I do not want to pay for access to the job board or even want to be associated with it (I, as a professional, find most of the rates offered there an outrage and unacceptable) but Proz.com continues to let it go as a laissez faire sort of system, THUS having a big impact on the industry on the whole, allowing cheap labor transactions on the translation market through use of their website. ... The simple existence of such a huge forum has a major impact on the development of rates. that's just logical.


It is ok, that you don't like the way Proz operates, that is called freedom of Speech. Please accept that there are others, that do belive that Proz works, and that the full advantages of the membership should be restricted to full paying members and the biggest advantage is the listing in the directory.


I'll pay for the advantages but not for disadvantages.


Siegfried Armbruster wrote:


Bernhard Sulzer wrote: In any case, my latest request for a type of membership that would grant me retaining my Certified Pro status and my excellent position in the directory was denied and I was told that one MUST be a full member to also be a Certified Pro.

You should have read the fine print before getting red P. I did criticize this combination of this so called "certification" with the payed membership from the beginning and it is one of the reasons why I never considered applying for it.


Proz.com did not "make" me a Certified Pro, and frankly, I don't consider this "badge" that important (or as having an excellent image in the industry) but, unfortunately, it propels you to the top of the translator directories.


You still don't get it - ProZ did make you a "certified Pro" what other recognized "translation certification" do you have? E. g. you are not EN 15038 certified. It is their batch and not recognized in the industry with the exception of TWB (which is heavily supported by ProZ). And no, it does not propel you to the top of translator directory. Paid full membership and KudoZ contribution does.



When I wrote "Proz.com did not "make me" a "certified Pro" I meant that it were my efforts that helped me get the P badge - it wasn't simply bestowed on me for no reason (I hope). But I did actually not seek it. I simply got it. That's okay. The fact that I am a Certified Pro is mentioned in my profile, although without the P.

My other words you quoted here (in connection with the Proz.com job board) are actually the ones most important to me. It's sad to see that you and others don't seem to be concerned - in my opinion, I don' think it is helpful to the professional industry, quite the opposite, as I have explained. And I am not using it. That's why I will not pay for it. Why should I? Do you like paying for something you can't support? There aren't many ways to tell Proz.com that the job board facilitates unacceptable business practices in our industry. Not paying for access would be one.


Siegfried Armbruster wrote:


Bernhard Sulzer wrote:
I also shared with Proz.com my opinion that I as a professional translator who has successfully contributed to KudoZ for many years am a major "part" of what Proz.com sells, a great asset to display (I don't mean to brag here).


You do brag here - the main things ProZ sells are:

Access to the Blueboard,
Ranking in the Directory
and their homebrewed red P.
KudoZ is not one of their major selling points, that's why the service is more or less free.



If I am bragging, I mean to do it for all those who have contributed to KudoZ with quality entries over the years.

You can access the Blueboard with BrownieZ points if you need to get the complete information. But you can see the overall rating for free.
Paying to be included in the directory listing is okay with me, even for the red P.

KudoZ is a selling point - it attracts translators in the first place by helping them and secondly, the more points you get as a contributor, the better for your listing.
That's important if you want to be found by outsourcers although I have to say there aren't many good ones looking. This selling point would not be possible without us contributors (all contributors), we make it possible. The more good ones contribute, the better.


All these points are okay with me.
But I don't want to pay for access to the job board. I want to make that point. Unfortunately, many of the other commenting colleagues here "don't get " that, as they write. It's not about the money I spend, it's about the money I pay for something I don't want and can't support.

And why wouldn't Proz.com want to honor my request? Better to receive some money from me than none. Well, I guess they don't need it.



Siegfried Armbruster wrote:


Bernhard Sulzer wrote:
I am afraid I will soon also have an xxx in front of my name, voluntarily.


Interesting, if they don't play it your way, you are threatening to leave the site and leave behind the opportunity that people can find you based on your valuable contributions.

Leaving the site seems to be a better option to you than being "listed" with the other non paying members?

In Germany we do have a saying "Reisende soll man nicht aufhalten"


It might be the only solution. Proz.com is not interested in giving me a membership that excludes access to the job board/bidding on posted jobs but keeps my ranking intact.

I would still be supporting this institution in many ways, just not with regard to the job board. I don't want to be a non-member, a guest, a cheapskate who wants almost everything for nothing. Not sure how much access to the job board is worth? 5% of a full membership? 10%? I don't know. I'll pay whatever it takes, but not for the job board. As Samuel writes, the offers one might receive in the directory might not be much better than the ones in the job board and I agree. But there, it's the outsourcer coming to me directly, and I will let them know "no thank you" if the price isn't right. The job board is an entirely different "elephant". Outsourcers using it are looking for ANYbody who can do their job for the best rate. They'll never have to deal with me.

I understand, others might want the same special rate. But why not give it to them? You think car companies are building and selling the same car with the same accessories over and over again? Although I am thinking of the job board as a roadblock rather than an accessory on a car.
If there is any freedom left here it's the freedom to leave the site.

And you won't mind anyway.

Bernhard


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How about an "Honorable" Membership? Feb 5, 2012


Nicole Schnell wrote:

For "veterans" who consider themselves highly valuable to a particular institution, yet for whatever reason decided not to support this very institution any longer, while demanding the same benefits to continue? I fail to see any logic in this request, I am afraid.

The very moment any of this will apply, I will stop paying my $300.00 per year and I am out of here.

I am also tired of the Red Pee thing. I never applied for it, yet helped about half a dozen colleagues to obtain this useless badge, as if this would certify them as "better" translators.


Hi Nicole,

don't get me wrong here, it's up to everybody what they want to pay for and what not. And I am not trying to attack anybody who accepts the fact that they won't mind being charged for the "service" of the job board.
And no, I am not looking for an "honorary" membership. I am willing to put money down.

Just to be clear: I have no problem paying for services that I deem good but I will not pay for something I cannot support, i.e. the job board. I don't consider the transactions there "honorable".

Bernhard


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Bernhard Sulzer  Identity Verified
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I am willing to pay for a lot. Feb 5, 2012


Samuel Murray wrote:


Bernhard Sulzer wrote:
I find myself in a similar situation ... that concerns favored exposure in the directory for (only) full members and especially those who are Certified Pros.


Red Pee members do not get special treatment in the directory listings (yet).


Outsourcers looking for "professionals" will find those first who are ... members (in order of their KudoZ points but also everybody who has never earned a single KudoZ point) and, in a completely (in)different category, non-members (like me, currently).


Well, the fact is that there has to be some value for paying members that non-members don't get, otherwise paying members will lose incentive to pay. That is the business model of most of these types of jobs portals -- those who pay (or pay more) get more.

I agree that the situation is a little unfair to those who want to get more value from directory listings but who don't want to feel like they're paying for other site features that they don't need, and perhaps you disagree with the model of cross subsidisation (and perhaps you believe that less popular features will not become underfunded if members have the option to remove them from the list of services that they pay for).



Samuel,

Regarding cross-subsidization. If I understand that concept correctly, it would mean You as a member are forced to pay more money for the same things/features I (the non-member) get because otherwise I wouldn't be able to get them. That's not what I want or am asking for.

I believe the job board does not support me, why should I support it? All other features are supportive of me, I wouldn't want to part from the other features or NOT pay for them (although you could ask to NOT have to pay for the red P - but I'll pay for it, it makes you stand out).

Not sure how much monetary value Proz.com ascribes to the job board. If it's 5% or 10% it doesn't seem much but you ask what would happen if we had a choice of not paying for certain features? You think members will lose incentive to pay.

2 (possible) consequences, depending on ... :

1. NOT being forced to pay for the job board: There might be more people like me who will STILL pay for all the other features.
2. MUST pay for the job board: I and other people will not pay at all and/or leave the site altogether.

I don't think there is a danger that other features are going to be underfunded if we are given the choice not to pay for job board access. Rather, if the choice is not given to cut out the job board fee, people like me might not pay a dime - if enough people do it, it could lead to underfunding of all features of Proz.com

The second scenario might not be in Proz.com's interest. I have said before, it's not called "CheapozandProz.com" or something similar.

More than anything else, I want to send a message to Proz.com that it is not in my interest to pay for the job board because it is wrecking (or at least contributing to wrecking) the translation industry. Proz.com cannot keep this going and say they don't have any influence on the rates sliding more and more towards $ 0.01/word. The mere existence of the job board on a major internet site like Proz.com has a major impact on our industry - it facilitates the lowering of rates.

Thanks for your contribution, as always.
Bernhard




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Don't generalize too much Feb 5, 2012


Bernhard Sulzer wrote:
The job board is an entirely different "elephant". Outsourcers using it are looking for ANYbody who can do their job for the best rate.


Being an outsourcer, we do use the Job board from time to time, and no, I don't believe that we belong to the vultures paying peanuts. And we won't give a job to ANYbody either.

And as a freelancer I found several good customers over the years through the job board, not many, but some.

I stopped long ago to see ProZ as a the only platform for the translation industry, and if you would follow my forum posts you could see that I criticized many things ProZ does that I don't like. I stopped criticizing ProZ the moment I realized that it is just a company running an internet platform following their own roadmap. And you know what - this is ok, I just renewed my membership. ProZ still offers me enough for my money and I don't care if any translator accepts a 0.03/whatever job or not, this is their business. I can't stress it often enough, the translation market is highly segmented, and I am only interested in a very narrow segment.

However I don't like it at all, if somebody, who never worked for us, tells me that what we are doing is not honorable (such as posting some of our jobs on the job board) or that we are damaging the translation industry or that we don't care about quality.

If there is any freedom left here it's the freedom to leave the site.

And you won't mind anyway.

I don't mind if somebody decides to leave ProZ - why should I? It is a decision that is taken by an adult business person weighing advantages against disadvantages.

For me, ProZ is just one platform, there are many and if we are looking for translators we use all available resources, including listings on websites of translation associations, LinkedIn, Facebook Twitter and ProZ.



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don't mean to offend Feb 5, 2012


Bernhard Sulzer wrote:

Just to be clear: I have no problem paying for services that I deem good but I will not pay for something I cannot support, i.e. the job board. I don't consider the transactions there "honorable".

Bernhard


Sorry if I offended anybody with the above comment. There are always exceptions. And if you are the exception, I salute you!

I am still vehemently opposed to the job board in its current form and for that matter, similar job boards on similar sites. I suggested to Proz.com to give some sort of visible certification to "honorable" or "professional" companies posting on the job board showing they are fair with their rates. That might change my mind about the job board. The blueboard is not an indicator for a company's fair payments.

There is no denying though that Proz.com's has one of the biggest job boards in the industry and that Proz.com is the most prominent site on the internet featuring translators and translation jobs. Whatever is done or said here, has impact. We as a community should speak in favor of a fair workplace, especially here.

Best,
Bernhard

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The job board Feb 5, 2012


Bernhard Sulzer wrote:

I have no problem paying for services that I deem good but I will not pay for something I cannot support, i.e. the job board. I don't consider the transactions there "honorable".

Bernhard


I don't use the job board and my clients don't use it, either. Job boards are for rejects. Good jobs don't need to be advertised.

I don't care if I am financing a monumental amount of gigabytes for crap jobs at the job board, as long as ProZ.com keeps such garbage out of my hair. And it does. ProZ.com filters all the nice things for me. That's a service that I am happy to pay for.


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paying for duds Feb 5, 2012


Nicole Schnell wrote:


I don't care if I am financing a monumental amount of gigabytes for crap jobs at the job board, as long as ProZ.com keeps such garbage out of my hair. And it does. ProZ.com filters all the nice things for me. That's a service that I am happy to pay for.


I just think many jobs that could have been lucrative jobs for me and many others have been lost to the job board. I am seeing the job board in its current form as a major changer in the industry.
Not sure how the job board filters all the nice things for you. Do you mean you are happy not to have to deal with anything offered on the job boards? That's great.
For me, that filter hasn't left many good jobs. I rather believe it has taken quite a few good jobs and turned them into duds.
And I do mind "paying" for that.

Bernhard


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