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Nicole Schnell 
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| | I deleted my entry | Jun 25, 2008 |
However, remarks such as "I will not embarrass her by a public response" will always get an appropriate reply...
| | | | Paul Lambert
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| | Desperate Housewives | Jun 25, 2008 |
Incidentally, for those of you in the United States, we do have "Desperate Housewives" on TV as well as all the big syndicated hit programmes out here too.
| | | | JPW
United Kingdom
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| | Desperate Housewives | Jun 25, 2008 |
Paul, your post is looking a bit lonely and out of place. So let me add one to accompany it.
Sir Walter Riley (sic), whatever he was, was most certainly not Irish.
A pirate, a butcher and a thief perhaps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Walter_Raleigh
I only hope Bernie's other factual information is 'correcter'.
Back to topic now. And I did find some of the statements in the original article somewhat incredulous.
The second I have not read yet.
| | | | Bernie Bierman
United States
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| | "Sir Walter Riley" | Jun 25, 2008 |
cf. "Rio Grande", Republic Pictures, 1950, directed by John Ford (Irish-American).
The line "...by that famous Irishman, Sir Walter Riley", said by the Irish actor Victor McLaglen portraying the Irish sergeant-major Timothy Quincannon.
BB
| | | | Ralf Lemster
Germany
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| | Back to topic, folks... | Jun 25, 2008 |
Now that we've clarified a few things along the lines, can we please get back to topic?
Thanks.
Best, Ralf
| | | | Tatty
Spain
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| | Anyone thinking about becoming a translator... | Jun 25, 2008 |
should probably read the article.
I'm based in Spain and 45,000 dollar net to me seems like a dream. I like my job, I really do, but even so I don't think that there is any point in aiming to be a translator in life, it really isn't worth it, not for the effort or the money you spend on training. I personally am incapable of encouraging anyone to be a translator. I think it would be much better as a second career, something you just kind of fall into. I am very much of the opinion that translation is a job for people who are already comfortably off, so they don't have to translate five days a week. (I get really tired cos I work too many hours.) And for the same reasons I think it is a very good job for an educated housewife, working again on a part-time basis. This way rates probably wouldn't get dragged down so readily. Based on my experience in England, I have also found it to be true that once you only have freelance translation work on your CV or that is all you have done for the past few years that employers or employment agencies are very unwilling, or simply refuse, to consider you as a candidate for a position within a company. So you have pretty much worked yourself into a rut too. All doom and gloom, but it is the end of the month and I feel like I have been in fight!
  | | | | Ralf Lemster
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| | Too much doom and gloom, methinks | Jun 25, 2008 |
I beg to disagree.
I like my job, I really do, but even so I don't think that there is any point in aiming to be a translator in life, it really isn't worth it, not for the effort or the money you spend on training. |
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I personally know numerous freelancers who make a very decent living (granted, they also work quite a lot). What seems to set them apart is a combination of language skills with business skills - OTOH I have seen examples of translators working in (supposedly) high-cost countries who are grossly underselling themselves.
I believe seasoned translators can help less experienced providers to learn about the essentials of running a business (starting with the concept of determining your price). It's an uphill battle, but worth it.
Best regards,
Ralf
| | | | Kevin Lossner
Germany
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| | Ralf is right | Jun 25, 2008 |
With some business skills and careful planning combined with the ability to deliver a first-rate product, one can make quite a decent living as a translator. The business skills and planning probably count more in the mix. There are too many talented people who are really good at two things: what they do and underselling themselves.
I haven't seen Alex Eame's old book/e-book ("How to Make $80,000 a Year as a Freelance Translator") mentioned in a while, but despite its goofy graphics and rather idiosyncratic style, I think it's an excellent overview of important basic business principles for the profession. And I would say that if you get the business approach right even in fairly common language pairs, you can do better than the title suggests without killing yourself.
[Edited at 2008-06-25 22:39]
| | | | Mervyn Henderson
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Hi,
I don't agree with all of it, but I think Bernie makes some good points.
I do see a connection between two points, 1) the moaning and groaning, and 2) consideration (or not) of what we do as a Business. Business with a capital B.
Translators moan and groan very often because they do not take their Business seriously enough. Take the high-flyer executives who earn much more than many translators do - they don't sit around all day saying "Why oh why are the prices for our product so low? How come the XYZ company is more attractive to customers? If only we had some rules in this game. It's not fair" etc. They do something about it and they get respect.
"I'm a translator" - it sounds terrible. Sounds like you're sitting in a ghastly little room with no view, tapping keys for those executives all day, and have to ask them for permission to go to the bog. Haven't you noticed that people still ask for explanations once you've said that? Er, what do you mean, exactly, a translator?
Tell them you have a Business, for a start, because that's what it is. A Translation Business. Everyone understands that.
A relative of mine said to me a few years ago when I mentioned my "business": "What do you mean, your business? Aren't you a translator any more?" Maybe he thought I did it for the government or something, I don't know.
And I'll stop there, because I'm very aware that it's all been said before and so often.
Mervyn
| | | | Tatty
Spain
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| | You don't have a business | Jun 26, 2008 |
If you are a freelancer in Spain, you don't have a company, you are a professional. Up until a few years ago we did have the status of a business, but that changed at some point about 2 years ago, and I believe it is the same throughout Europe. It would be interesting to know if a freelancer is a company in the US or if it is a tax-paying arrangement.
I'm always very surprised when other translators assume that we don't have a business-like mindset. Surely, the first thing you when you hear about a job is calculate how much is in it for you. We are pure capitalists in fact, and we dance to the capitalist beat. I know exactly how much I want to earn and where I want my rate to be for the next three years. To be a good translator, you have to have a solid training in your languages, which costs loads, then have a solid training in translation, and then have a specialist area, and if you want to interpret too that's another specialist area. The effort and the money that goes into this is incredible. But you need to be able to do it fairly early on in your career, firstly so you can recoup your money and secondly, to remove the element of precarity from your existence; so that in times of crisis, like now, that you are not affected. It is also important from a pychological point of view to avoid fluctations in demand for your services.
Needless to say that I don't feel like a little person, but at the same time I do understand that there is a translation market and a prevailing band of rates. All I'm saying, again, from a very capitalist stance, is that at the outset I didn't realise how much I was going to need to train in order to do this job properly. It is not all set out for all to see how much time/money you will need to invest in the process. If you want to become a solicitor for example you can readily find out how long it will take you and how much it will cost. And again from a very capitalist stance, given the effort and expense, translating isn't worth it. You would be much better off going into accountancy, law, medicine... And once you have gone down the path this far you cannot transfer into another area, because everyone you show your CV to sees a translator.
Of course you can make a decent living, but does a doctor or an accountant make a "decent" living, no they make a very good one. And given our level of training, we should be make a very good one too.
You are the inconsistent ones, not me.
| | | | Steffen Walter
Germany
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| | Business from a (general) commercial not a legal/tax point of view | Jun 26, 2008 |
Tatty wrote:
If you are a freelancer in Spain, you don't have a company, you are a professional. Up until a few years ago we did have the status of a business, but that changed at some point about 2 years ago, and I believe it is the same throughout Europe. It would be interesting to know if a freelancer is a company in the US or if it is a tax-paying arrangement. |
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I don't quite follow you on this one. Corporate and tax law considerations aside, I think we've been talking about "business" in a general commercial (well, business, if you will) sense throughout this thread. In that sense, we do, or at least should, run a business indeed, even as independent professionals/freelancers.
As to your other comments, I do agree with Ralf (and Kevin), who've said that you were too much into doom and gloom indeed...
My 2c worth,
Steffen
| | | | Tatty
Spain
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| | We should keep it between ourselves then | Jun 26, 2008 |
OK, you can talk about your "business" if you wish, in a commercial sense. But if you go around saying that you'll soon be told that you don't actually have one.
Doom and gloom, I do-don't have a business, the subject of the debate is the bottom line, which equates to reality. Or do we have an issue dealing with reality?
My point really was that becoming a translating makes better sense, from an economic point of view, as a second career. You would already have a specialisation, and if you worked mainly within your specialisation your language skills wouldn't need to be as developed. And given that you have a strong specialisation you could command higher rates.
| | | | Mervyn Henderson
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... have a business, I mean.
The authorities in the Spanish State or Ireland can qualify my operation any way they like on any little bit of paper they like, but I certainly DO have a business. I have a business that keeps me busy, and that business business allows me to pay them business taxes on all the business, and also to spend the dosh from my business business on other busy-busy businesses. I know full well what I have. I'm minding my own business.
Mervyn
| | | | Tatty
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| | Definitions? | Jun 26, 2008 |
Translators who don't like definitions... or maybe only when it suits them (another instance of inconsistency in approach). Tax types don't seem to hold any sway. We are rolling round to the whole reality thing again.
| | | | Steffen Walter
Germany
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| | Killing business by definitions? | Jun 26, 2008 |
Tatty wrote:
Translators who don't like definitions... or maybe only when it suits them (another instance of inconsistency in approach). Tax types don't seem to hold any sway. We are rolling round to the whole reality thing again. |
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But a business is a business is a business, as Mervyn so eloquently demonstrated - and we all have a business to run, otherwise we shouldn't be in the translation business in the first place
Where do you see the "inconsistency", by the way?
Curiously,
Steffen
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