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76 offers (and growing!) for 0.04 euro /word on proZ??
Thread poster: Luca Tutino

Luca Tutino  Identity Verified
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Nov 3, 2001

Dear everybody,

Do you find it normal that 76 people are answering enthusiastically to the following request appearing on proZ at the time I am writing?



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It is true that the source language is common (English) but the target is for languages in countries where life is not cheap at all!! (Denmark, Germany, France, Italy, Spain). I wonder how can this be... is it a sign of a crisis of our industry?



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Maya Jurt  Identity Verified
Switzerland
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Slave work Nov 3, 2001

Dear Luca,



I am one among the 76. I gave my rate - an exceptionally low € 0.12 per word, indicating that this was slave work. The problem is that people (even very qualified ones) agree to work for such rates. I am probably going to be scolded for my input, but I think this is just degrading for all of us.



I have, of course, some ideas what could be done. However, I think the proZ team of moderators probably knows what is possible and what not.



Greetings

Maya
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Odilon Louzada
Brazil
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76 translators going on 100 soon Nov 3, 2001

Dear Luca,

Ciao!

That hurts me too!

I\'m sorry to say this, but these are market rules, I\'m affraid.

I don\'t think it\'s an industry crisis whatever and there\'s nothing we can do about this issue. There\'ll always be beguinners or other translators leaving in countries where cost of living is not as high as in Europe or US. However I\'m sure they pay what it\'s worth, meaning quality should not be an important factor anyway.

All the best

Dillon


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Laura Gentili  Identity Verified
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I am amazed too Nov 3, 2001

The bids are now 126.

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Werner George Patels, M.A., C.Tran.(ATIO)
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It is the sign of the times Nov 4, 2001

Such is life nowadays, I guess. Maybe it would be a good idea for Henry to implement the idea of $1 per bid; that would help reduce the number of people willing to bid on such a lousy offer.



I think it is a closed bid, so we don\'t even know what those 126 people wrote in their bids. Maybe they gave the outsourcer a good lashing.


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Trudy Peters  Identity Verified
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I'm appalled! Nov 4, 2001

I can only say that I\'m appalled by this trend. It looks like it\'s translators themselves who are driving down the prices.

Why are we doing this to ourselves??? Can one Eurocent/word be far behind??



I no longer bid on Proz jobs, because the posters seem to be looking for the cheapest translators and apparently have no problem finding them. (((



Luckily, I have clients who appreciate the quality of my work and are willing to pay for it.



Trudy

Columbus, Ohio, USA


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Restituta Castiello
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Please, let also beginners work Nov 4, 2001

I\'m not at all amazed of those 126 bids! I\'m a beginner and most of the time I answer a bid I find my way closed by other more experienced translators. This is clearly a job directed to beginners, because no experienced translator would accept such a pay. I answered to this bid and I\'m not at all ashamed. I have worked for much less too!! So please let also beginners start gaining their experience at their own expenses!

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Chiara Santoriello  Identity Verified
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I am amazed too. Nov 5, 2001

Hi everybody.



I don\'t think it\'s the sign of the time as I have job. Maybe these replies come from translators at their first experiences who can accept such a fee.



Anyway we cannot check bids and as I noted when looking at them, people apply even though they are not skilled for the kind of job offered.



I believe that a little more control on bids is necessary.



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Kate Persson
Denmark
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Don't join them! Nov 5, 2001

Hi everybody

I don\'t think this is a sign of the time at all. Don\'t bid on such jobs that\'s the only way to stop them. \"Translators\" bidding that low simply know nothing about market prices, cash flow management, SWOT-analyses, marketing, time consumption and quality.

Don\'t join them - beat them, if you want to make both ends meet.



Best of luck to you all

Kate Persson



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Chris Cheal
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Nov 5, 2001

What is a SWOT analysis? My local rate here (Slovakia) converts as 0.031/word, and I can make a decent living at that price. Welcome to globalisation people.

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Telesforo Fernandez
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What can de done? Nov 5, 2001

This has been happening for a long time now. The basic thing is this concept of bidding. If you are a professional , why a bidding!



Have you seen anybody bidding for a surgical operation and for that matter even for a carpentery, masonary or an electricaljob?



But why does this happen in case of translators?

I think it is because someone introduced this custom of bidding.

Once you start auctioning the services of professionals, then only God can help you.



Stop this bidding concept and everything will be alright.

Now, many of our colleagues will put forward arguments glorifying the virtues of bidding.

Some will say, do not bid if you do not like.

Afer all, agencies are business houses and they will think in business terms. And they are right.

But the translators should be carefull enough. Please do not auction your talent or expertise. I hope we all get the message clear enough.



[ This Message was edited by: on 2001-11-05 03:36 ]

[ This Message was edited by: on 2001-11-05 03:37 ]


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Paul Stevens  Identity Verified
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Ridiculous rates! Nov 5, 2001

Quite amazingly, the number of bids is now up to 173!!



I agree with some previous comments in that the only way to have any chance of ending these ridiculous rates is to stop bidding for these jobs. Obviously we don\'t know how many bids actually offered the asking rates, but I would think that those not offering that rate should just not bother bidding.



Apparently, from some of the replies, some translators are prepared to work at these rates and if that is the case, then I wish them good luck to them. If they do so, it also leaves more jobs at sensible rates for others.


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Luca Tutino  Identity Verified
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What is SWOT? Nov 5, 2001

By now I know something about market prices, cash flow, marketing, time and quality but… what is SWOT-analysis??



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On 2001-11-05 02:28, katepers wrote:

\"Translators\" bidding that low simply know nothing about market prices, cash flow management, SWOT-analyses, marketing, time consumption and quality.



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Luca Tutino  Identity Verified
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(Intelligent) bidding is great! Nov 5, 2001


Contrary to Telesforo’s opinion, I believe that bidding is a great way of using nowadays IT for my advantage as a translator. Being based in Italy I would certainly not have as many chances to meet good (i.e. non-Italian) potential customers without ProZ. By bidding I have acquired a few clients in a short period of time, and some of them are absolutely glad to pay well for quality. Moreover I am able to build my customer base among those willing to develop work relationships trough the Web – a very convenient way to work. Last but not least, e-marketplaces are getting more and more important in all industries, including automotive, construction and electricity. Just do am engine search with “e-marketplace” and you will see…



Ciao,

Luca

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On 2001-11-05 03:32, telef wrote:

The basic thing is this concept of bidding. If you are a professional , why a bidding!



Have you seen anybody bidding for a surgical operation and for that matter even for a carpentery, masonary or an electricaljob?



[ This Message was edited by: on 2001-11-05 05:27 ]


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Branka Arrivé
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"strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats" Nov 5, 2001

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On 2001-11-05 05:05, tunein wrote:

By now I know something about market prices, cash flow, marketing, time and quality but… what is SWOT-analysis??



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On 2001-11-05 02:28, katepers wrote:

\"Translators\" bidding that low simply know nothing about market prices, cash flow management, SWOT-analyses, marketing, time consumption and quality.





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