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Finally--Payment Forced Out of Non-Paying Client
Thread poster: Ala Rabie

Ala Rabie  Identity Verified
Egypt
Local time: 17:41
Japanese to Arabic
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Aug 18, 2006

As I have mentioned earlier, after adding this client to ProZ BB records, along with a 1 LWA and nice comments, she sent me an email telling me that she is going to pay by the end of July.

[For a complete context, please refer to this thread.]

And as expected, I have received nothing, which provided the best opportunity to go to step 2 of my Crime-Prevention Protocol.

I have acquired information on the companies that the client had outsourced their documents to me, and sent an email to each of the relevant departments containing:
  • Brief introductory.
  • Description and copies of the documents, both raw and translated.
  • Brief details of the matter.
  • Copies of Invoices.
  • Contact information of the non-paying client.

Although my mere goal was to cut her off, this move worked further magic! -- I received an email from her two days later:
Title: You are unbelievable
I think after you did what you did, you have already received more than your payment, right? so what else can you do????

To which I responded:
What are you talking about?


Right afterwards, I received a forwarded email from another address of hers, with Cc to the CEO of the final clients I have contacted earlier:
Dear Ala

It is very strange that I don't even know your name, neither dealt with you
in the past. At the bottom of this message where you mentioned that I asked
you to do a translation for me, the e-mail address you have given is unknown
to me and I don't know where you got it from, as the only email address I
have is XXXXXXXX@hotmail.com

At the same time, for the past few days I was receiving from Mr. XXXXXX very
bad emails which I am sure he never intented to send to me, and when I had a
call from him yesterday I doublechecked those emails and I found your e-mail
address at the bottom of each message (and as I don't know you I thought
something is wrong with the network) but now I am 100% that it is a spam
sent by you.

If you have any pending payment with me, how come you never called me or
sent me any email, I would advice you to stop this spam or I will really
take legal actions.

I sent her this email:
I have not received a cent from my payment. You know that well.
I believe it is my right to conduct all means necessary in order to receive my payment.

Aren't you ashamed of withholding my money!?

Anyway, I am willing to go all the way. Expect more crime-prevention actions in the near future.

Then contacted the final client providing more evidence, and phoned in to register my name at the reception.

The next morning I received an email with payment details!

She was cautious not to make the payment in her name but rather of a friend of hers though, but she made a new mistake by not sending the entire payment.

I cashed out and wrote her an official email:
Dear Ms. XXXX,

This is to acknowledge receipt of XXX USD of XXX USD payment due on June 21st, 2006.

Given that the payment is short, as well as forced, we hereby inform you, Ms. XXXX XXXX, of the following:

1. Your record in our Blacklist shall remain as-is.
2. Your record in our Blacklist Study Cases shall remain scheduled for near publishing. However, it shall contain notes on today's payment.
3. Our entry in your ProZ BB Record, as well as other translation portals and communities, shall remain as-is, i.e. 1 LWA or its equivalent, representing the lowest rate possible.
4. Our Crime-Prevention measures shall be conducted normally. However, legal measures shall be suspended.

We also record that we have no previous business, legal, nor personal relationship or affiliation with Ms. XXXXX XXXXXXX; we accept this payment on the basis of it being initiated by our client as mentioned in relevant Job Offers, Invoices, and previous Receipts, namely Ms. XXXX XXXX, and that it has been conducted by a representative of hers.

As you have been informed in previous correspondences, this message, as well as the previous ones, is monitored by third-parties for documentation purposes.

It is unfortunate that we were forced to activate our Crime-Prevention protocol. However, we believe it is mutually well-considered.

Thank you very much for your business.

And finally, sent a 'thank you' + promotional email to the final client.

I have learnt too many lessons from this six-months long experience, to which I found it reasonable to write off the entire payment. Now I have learnt even more to make my Crime-Prevention Protocol more effective, and to top it all, I have taken a large portion of my money!

Long ago, I was one of the fewest freelancers to receive payment from a famous fraud off-shore LLC, but for my luck, I was perhaps the only one to receive it full in advance

I am so happy that I won!
Well, eventually

~Ala
alamnesis.com - Expect beyond perfection with the power of Semiology.

[Edited at 2006-08-18 19:31]


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lucysebastian
Local time: 17:41
English to Arabic
Does she have a web site? Aug 18, 2006

Hello Enshrine

Does the client, whom you dealt with, have a web site address?

Thanks
Sebastian


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
Germany
Local time: 16:41
English to German
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No outsourcer discussions in the ProZ.com forum, please Aug 19, 2006

Hi Sebastian,
lucysebastian wrote:

Hello Enshrine

Does the client, whom you dealt with, have a web site address?

Thanks
Sebastian


Discussing outsourcers in the forums is not permitted - please refer to the forum rules .

Best regards,
Ralf


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Aisling O'Callaghan
English to Irish
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Congrats!! Aug 19, 2006

Being in a similar situation I can only offer my heartfelt congrats!

How ironic it is that your client believed that YOU had overstepped the mark, while failing in her own financial duties... again, I had also been promised money, which naturally failed to arrive (at which I was not the least bit surprised), and had every intention of proceeding in a similar way to acquire the money that I am owed... which will shortly be deposited into my bank account naturally....

Congrats once again!


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Ala Rabie  Identity Verified
Egypt
Local time: 17:41
Japanese to Arabic
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Thanks :D Aug 21, 2006

Aisling O Callaghan wrote:
How ironic it is that your client believed that YOU had overstepped the mark, while failing in her own financial duties... again, I had also been promised money, which naturally failed to arrive (at which I was not the least bit surprised), and had every intention of proceeding in a similar way to acquire the money that I am owed... which will shortly be deposited into my bank account naturally....


Letting such people go away with their stolen money does not but encouraging them, as well others, to do it more often.

If we do not stand against it, by year 2080 nobody is going to be paid! And that would be the new standard!

Oh, Lord!

Congrats once again!

Merci, Aisling
Best wishes in your struggle as well!

~Ala
alamnesis.com - Expect beyond perfection with the power of Semiology.


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MariusV  Identity Verified
Lithuania
Local time: 17:41
English to Lithuanian
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:) lucky you Aug 25, 2006

When I have an offer from some company the name of which ends with "LLC" ("Limited Liability Company", in other words "an off-shore company"), it is the first sign to be cautious. "Off-shore" companies are usually made for money laundering or as an easy instrument for cheating people (and to track them and their activities can be really difficult both from the legal and even physical point. That means that such people who have offshores have these for certain purposes.

So, congrads for you being lucky making a possible thing out of an impossible

And "crime prevention" (giving some criminal context to this issue) is a really good idea. Well, it is not just when "John" is late to settle with "Marry", but "John" is a freak who cheats people - cool

[Edited at 2006-08-25 20:58]


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juvera  Identity Verified
Local time: 15:41
Member (2005)
English to Hungarian
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LLC=Offshore? Aug 26, 2006

MariusV wrote:

When I have an offer from some company the name of which ends with "LLC" ("Limited Liability Company", in other words "an off-shore company"), it is the first sign to be cautious. "Off-shore" companies are usually made for money laundering or as an easy instrument for cheating people (and to track them and their activities can be really difficult both from the legal and even physical point. That means that such people who have offshores have these for certain purposes.


MariusV, this is a sveeping generalisation, and the starting statement is not correct. The "limited liability" status is not the same as "offshore". A Limited Liability Company can be also "offshore", and it often applies particularly to investment companies, but most LLC-s are simply small companies, opting for this form to make their liability and administration managable.


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Ala Rabie  Identity Verified
Egypt
Local time: 17:41
Japanese to Arabic
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Of course; LLC != Off-shore Aug 26, 2006

From what I understand, juvera, the major threat of LLC's is that the owners do not share loss nor can be held accountable for company debts, which means the business can go bankrupt anytime, and they [the owners/etc.] will remain unaffected.

The aforementioned LLC that I dealt with went bankrupt three times so far! Three different names, same people, same practices. Such situation can never provide any safe, stable working environment for us.

~Ala
alamnesis.com - Expect beyond perfection with the power of Semiology.

juvera wrote:
MariusV, this is a sveeping generalisation, and the starting statement is not correct. The "limited liability" status is not the same as "offshore". A Limited Liability Company can be also "offshore", and it often applies particularly to investment companies, but most LLC-s are simply small companies, opting for this form to make their liability and administration managable.


[Edited at 2006-08-26 17:55]


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
Germany
Local time: 16:41
English to German
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Do not confuse the concepts of "offshore" and "limited liability" Aug 26, 2006

Hi all,
There seems to be some misunderstanding regarding 'offshore' status (which, in general terms, refers to entities incorporated outside their home jurisdiction, often in jurisdictions with little or no regulations and/or tax burden - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore_Financial_Centre, for example).

This doesn't mean that limited-liability entities are, by definition, offshore entities.


From what I understand, juvera, the major threat of LLC's is that the owners do not share loss nor can be held accountable for company debts, which means the business can go bankrupt anytime, and they [the owners/etc.] will remain unaffected.

Which is the case with any limited-liability entity, such as my own company, Deutsche Bank, or Microsoft Corporation. This is not bad per se, but you have to be aware of the relevant entity's capital backing.

Best regards,
Ralf


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juvera  Identity Verified
Local time: 15:41
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More confusion... Aug 26, 2006

[quote]enshrine wrote:

From what I understand, juvera, the major threat of LLC's is that the owners do not share loss nor can be held accountable for company debts, which means the business can go bankrupt anytime, and they [the owners/etc.] will remain unaffected.

The aforementioned LLC that I dealt with went bankrupt three times so far! Three different names, same people, same practices. Such situation can never provide any safe, stable working environment for us.
[quote]

Well, not every LCC goes bankrupt, and not being an LCC doesn't save a company from bankrupcy.

In any case, what provides safe, stable working environment? Is there such thing?

The title of your answer says:
"Of course; LLC != Off-shore", and you failed to ellaborate on it.
All I am saying, they are not the same thing, and the reason of me saying it is that there may be other people who read this who are unfamiliar with these concepts and I don't want them to think that they are the same.

Ralf, thanks for your input.

Best regards
Juvera

[Edited at 2006-08-26 21:27]


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Ala Rabie  Identity Verified
Egypt
Local time: 17:41
Japanese to Arabic
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What confusion? Aug 26, 2006

juvera wrote:
Well, not every LCC goes bankrupt, and not being an LCC doesn't save a company from bankrupcy.

This goes without saying, actually.

The title of your answer says:
"Of course; LLC != Off-shore", and you failed to ellaborate on it.

"!=" = not equal to.



~Ala
alamnesis.com - Expect beyond perfection with the power of Semiology.


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