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Monika Coulson  Identity Verified
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Apr 18, 2003

The Winner: Sees an answer for every problem

The Loser: Sees a problem in every answer



The Winner: Is always a part of the answer

The Loser: Is always a part of the problem



The Winner: Always has a program

The Loser: Always has an excuse



The Winner: Says \"Let me do it for you\"

The Loser: Says \"That\'s not my job\"



The Winner: Sees a green near every sand trap

The Loser: Sees two or three sand traps near every green



The Winner: Says \"It may be difficult, but it\'s possible\"

The Loser: Says \"It may be possible, but it\'s too difficult\"





BE A WINNER!

[ This Message was edited by: monika on 2003-04-18 15:40]


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Egon
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nice motto.. Apr 18, 2003

.. but you cannot win simply by closing one of your eyes..



- get the proof by applying your (or any other) strategy against a chess program -





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two2tango  Identity Verified
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loosers, winners, and engineers Apr 19, 2003

Monika describes the attitude of a winner, nor a recipe for winning.



As an engineer let mi add another dimension:

- Loser: This glass is half empty

- Winner: this glass is half full

- Engineer: this glass could be 50% smaller



Enrique


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Rusinterp  Identity Verified
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Prospective.... Apr 20, 2003

This used to be the distinction between optimists and pessimists. So, is it suggested that the only difference between losers and winners is their own perceptions, and nothing else?



Another pair, to illustrate the difference. It is as if you were to say:

\"To a loser, you are upside down in \'muck\' up to your ankles; to a winner, your toes are in fresh air.\"



Maybe the \"winner\" has a perspective that prevents him from seeing the actual less-than-optimal situation.



That is not to say that \"looking on the bright side of life\" is wrong; it\'s just that being realistic is also necessary.



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Rick Henry  Identity Verified
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and don't forget manager... Apr 20, 2003

(no, I\'m not one)

- Manager: How can we re-purpose the 50% not currently being used?



Cheers.

R.

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On 2003-04-19 02:23, two2tango wrote:



As an engineer let mi add another dimension:

- Loser: This glass is half empty

- Winner: this glass is half full

- Engineer: this glass could be 50% smaller



Enrique



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Claudia Iglesias  Identity Verified
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It's an attitude, not a perception Apr 20, 2003

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That is not to say that \"looking on the bright side of life\" is wrong; it\'s just that being realistic is also necessary.





You can do both at once. Everything has a bright side and a dark side. You can know and accept that (so you\'re realistic) and try to always look for the bright side, even if it\'s not visible at once.



For me too this was the difference between optimists and pessimists, and now I\'m seing the connection with winners and losers, I think it might just be a cultural difference.

(I mean the winner/loser concept is more important for some cultures than others).

[ This Message was edited by: c.iglesias on 2003-04-20 11:52]

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Jack Doughty  Identity Verified
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Monty Python looks on the bright side Apr 20, 2003

With all this talk about looking on the bright side of life, it seems appropriate to quote the song:

Always Look On The Bright Side of Life

from the film

Monty Python\'s Life of Brian



Cheer up, Brian. You know what they say.

Some things in life are bad,

They can really make you mad.

Other things just make you swear and curse.

When you\'re chewing on life\'s gristle,

Don\'t grumble, give a whistle!

And this\'ll help things turn out for the best...

And...

the music fades into the song



...always look on the bright side of life!

(whistle)



Always look on the bright side of life...

If life seems jolly rotten,

There\'s something you\'ve forgotten!

And that\'s to laugh and smile and dance and sing,



When you\'re feeling in the dumps,

Don\'t be silly chumps,

Just purse your lips and whistle -- that\'s the thing!

And... always look on the bright side of life...



(whistle)

Come on!



(others start to join in)

Always look on the bright side of life...

(whistle)



For life is quite absurd,

And death\'s the final word.

You must always face the curtain with a bow!

Forget about your sin -- give the audience a grin,

Enjoy it -- it\'s the last chance anyhow!



So always look on the bright side of death!

Just before you draw your terminal breath.

Life\'s a piece of sh*t,

When you look at it.



Life\'s a laugh and death\'s a joke, it\'s true,

You\'ll see it\'s all a show,

Keep \'em laughing as you go.

Just remember that the last laugh is on you!



And always look on the bright side of life...

(whistle)

Always look on the bright side of life!

(whistle)





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sylver  Identity Verified
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Future maker... Apr 20, 2003

I see a bundle of comments about \"reality\", \"you have to face the facts\", etc, etc. We could get into big discussion about \"what is reality?\".



But there is one fact that few people face: tomorrow hasn\'t happenned yet! Tomorrow is just as good you make it.



The loosing pessimist will go about it with \"it\'s all wrong\" attitude, then when a mess happens, they say \"hey, see, I told you\".



Our winning optimist, on the other hand, will try to make things go right. Yeah, occasionnally, it may go wrong. But what matters is whether or not the feller is able to stomach it up and make it right again.



Future is an open land. It will be what you make of it. No point chewing the past. Future is ahead.


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Egon
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The pessimists way.. Apr 21, 2003

How does a pessimist get a thing to work?



He assumes that it will not work and tries proof this, hoping to be wrong.



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Rusinterp  Identity Verified
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Just a funny picture... Apr 21, 2003








If it comes through, I think it\'s funny!

To the definer of pessimists: it\'s not about the future, necessarily. It\'s about the facts that are already there!



Jack - and thank you so much for putting in the ENTIRE song!!! Of course, that\'s what I was referring to.


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sylver  Identity Verified
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Give it a smile... Apr 22, 2003

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On 2003-04-21 23:05, Rusinterp wrote:

If it comes through, I think it\'s funny!

To the definer of pessimists: it\'s not about the future, necessarily. It\'s about the facts that are already there!



Sorry, if it was a picture, it did not come through. Perhaps you have a url?



According to the Webster:

\"Pessimism:

[...]

2 the tendency to expect misfortune or the worst outcome in any circumstances; practice of looking on the dark side of things.\"



Real optimism has nothing to do with ignoring or overlooking the present conditions. It\'s simply the attitude that no matter what, things are going to turn out all right. That\'s responsibility, too. Taking ownership and making sure that things do go right.



On the other end, a pessimist is merely explaining away why he can\'t take responsibility and can\'t do anything about it. \"It\'s all screwed up\" \"no matter what, it will go wrong\"... which ultimately means \"See, I am not responsible because it\'s all a mess already, and I can\'t do anything about it.\"



It is the pessimist who is not looking at the true facts. Because there is always something that could be done to set things right. Did you ever had somebody telling you that this and that can\'t be done, and then see somebody else do it?



Anyway, I wasn\'t planning to hold a chapter on pessimism, but as conclusion, might as well say that a pessimist\'s life is not something I would want. Things ain\'t all right, but they will. \'m working on it.



Just smile and make it go right.

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