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Thread poster: louisajay
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Dec 2, 2003

From Sky News:

KNOWING YOUR UNKNOWNS

US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has won the dubious honour of making the year's most baffling comment by a public figure.

Rumsfeld was awarded the "Foot in Mouth" award for a particularly confusing response at a press briefing, Britain's Plain English Campaign said.


The Defence Secretary said: "Reports that say something hasn't happened are interesting to me, because as we know, there are known unknowns; there are things we know we know.

"We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know."

Campaign spokesman John Lister said: "We think we know what he means. But we don't know if we really know."

Rumsfeld took the booby prize ahead of a bizarre effort from actor-turned politician Arnold Schwarzenegger.

"I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman," the new California Governor said.


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Claudia Iglesias  Identity Verified
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Posted yesterday Dec 2, 2003

Hi Louisajay

It was posted yesterday and it already has some comments
http://www.proz.com/topic/16316


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Thanks Claudia! Dec 2, 2003

I hadn't looked at that one, thanks for letting me know! I see Arnie's quote isn't on that thread though, I found that one just as funny!

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Klaus Herrmann  Identity Verified
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Knownsense Dec 2, 2003

So is the double posting an unknown unknown or an unknown known?

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Said Kaljanac a.k.a. SARAJ  Identity Verified
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It depends on which side of the double duality you are Dec 2, 2003

Klaus Herrmann wrote:

So is the double posting an unknown unknown or an unknown known?


1) If you knew that there was a posting but didn't know the content of it, then it is a known unkown. But if you didn't know that there is such a posting then you, of course did not know its content and you are in the situation of the unkown unknown. This is the undeliberately ignorantly unkown double side.

2) But, as a matter of fact, if you knew that there was such a posting and if you knew its content, then it is a known known. The same thing applies for the situation in which you would know that the existence of the content, but not the one of such a posting which would be defined as an unknown known. As opposed to the undeliberately ignorantly unkown double side mentioned earlier, this is a deliberately non-ignorantly known double side.

This double duality might be questioned by many people and I completely understand them, but they even do not realize that they are in situation of unkown known upside down complex, meaning that they refuse to admit that things unknown to them might be known by someone like me who realized that I know only one thing which is the fact that I know nothing at all after having pretended that I knew everything in those times when actually I knew nothing at all.

Cheers
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[Edited at 2003-12-02 19:08]


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Agnieszka Hayward
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Saraj, you're brilliant Dec 2, 2003

and Mr. Donald Rumsfeld definately needs more sleep...

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xxxPaul Roige
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Yeap... Dec 3, 2003

tygru wrote:

and Mr. Donald Rumsfeld definately needs more sleep...


... a long one!
P


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Silvina Beatriz Codina  Identity Verified
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Absolutely! Dec 3, 2003

Paul Roigé wrote:

tygru wrote:

and Mr. Donald Rumsfeld definately needs more sleep...


... a long one!
P




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Lorenzo Lilli  Identity Verified
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in Italian Dec 4, 2003

For those of you who speak Italian http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Esteri/2003/12_Dicembre/04/rumsfeld.shtml
In this case, however, "Foot in mouth award" was translated "Premio stai zitto", something like "Shut up award" - they recognize it's quite a loose translation.


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