Off topic: Goodbye Jane and good luck ..... Thread poster: Deborah do Carmo
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Without wishing to enter into a debate AT ALL about the merits (or lack thereof) of the recent decision taken by site management to red card Ms. Jane Lamb Ruiz, I'd just like to take this opportunity to say a big thank you to Jane for all her linguistic help and input on this site, and in particular for me on the Portuguese to English site.
Those of you who don't know about this decision and have been helped by her in the past may like to drop her a line.
Even though ... See more Without wishing to enter into a debate AT ALL about the merits (or lack thereof) of the recent decision taken by site management to red card Ms. Jane Lamb Ruiz, I'd just like to take this opportunity to say a big thank you to Jane for all her linguistic help and input on this site, and in particular for me on the Portuguese to English site.
Those of you who don't know about this decision and have been helped by her in the past may like to drop her a line.
Even though we didn't always agree, you'll be sorely missed by many serious linguists.
Good luck for the future
Debs
[Edited at 2005-11-20 18:02] ▲ Collapse
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Tom Walker (X)
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| What happened? | Nov 20, 2005 |
So why was she shown the red card exactly? Things like this don't happen for no reason...
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Deborah do Carmo 
Portugal
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TOPIC STARTER | Please read.......... | Nov 20, 2005 |
As a new member, I don't think you'd appreciate her input on the site as it's way before your time but as I pointed out the purpose of this posting is not gossipmongering, to delve into the background or debate the issue of the red card - the purpose is SIMPLY to say thank you.
Regards
Deborah
[Edited at 2005-11-20 19:10]
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| Not a matter for forums | Nov 20, 2005 |
Jane was informed of the reasons for this decision.
She had been warned and as she didn't respect Forum rule number 9 she was issued the "red card".
This is a private matter and should not be discussed in forums.
Thanks for your understanding
Claudia
[Edited at 2005-11-20 18:42]
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| You'll be missed | Nov 20, 2005 |
Deborah do Carmo wrote:
Without wishing to enter into a debate AT ALL about the merits (or lack thereof) of the recent decision taken by site management to red card Ms. Jane Lamb Ruiz, I'd just like to take this opportunity to say a big thank you to Jane for all her linguistic help and input on this site, and in particular for me on the Portuguese to English site.
Those of you who don't know about this decision and have been helped by her in the past may like to drop her a line.
Even though we didn't always agree, you'll be sorely missed by many serious linguists.
Good luck for the future
Debs
[Edited at 2005-11-20 18:02]
I back Debbie's words and would like to send my personal best wishes to Jane. It's a shame that Jane's style seems to have intimidated some members of Proz, because those of us who know her as a pro colleague are well aware that she is passionately involved in her work and will defend her views to the full, but I for one have never seen a personal remark made to another translator or any other blatant 'offence' of the rules. She has helped many of us and some discussions have ended up enlightening us all, even though some may have seen them as 'agressive'. Jane has her style but that's Jane. Not all of us are meant to be meek and mild.
You will be missed. It's a real pity.
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Deborah do Carmo
Portugal
Local time: 18:12
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TOPIC STARTER | Dear Claudia.... | Nov 20, 2005 |
I think you misunderstand the reason for my posting - I've made it quite clear that I do not want to delve into the reasons, the decision has been made, but there are some of us, mostly (currently) paying members, who'd like the opportunity to say thank you and show some recognition of her linguistic input to the glossaries - that's all.
Thank you for unlocking the topic.
Regards
Deborah
PS: Henry - nobody is debating your system, suggesting linguis... See more I think you misunderstand the reason for my posting - I've made it quite clear that I do not want to delve into the reasons, the decision has been made, but there are some of us, mostly (currently) paying members, who'd like the opportunity to say thank you and show some recognition of her linguistic input to the glossaries - that's all.
Thank you for unlocking the topic.
Regards
Deborah
PS: Henry - nobody is debating your system, suggesting linguistic ability - perceived or otherwise - has a bearing on compliance with the rules, questioning your decision or assuming anything - this is SIMPLY to say thank you to someone who has helped a lot of us - is this topic being locked AGAIN?
FWIW, I don't think legally or ethically you should be giving the background on Jane's case in public as she is not here to defend herself - but please there are some of us who would like to say thank you and recognize her input, would you please unlock the topic and recognize some of us may JUST want to do that.
P.P.S. Could you please advise on what grounds you've locked this topic - meant simply to say goodbye and thank someone - what happened to freedom of speech, or is the next step to hide the posting altogether? Many people don't know and may like to say thanks or drop her a line - what is wrong with that?
Regards
Deborah
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| Adding my best wishes to Deborah's | Nov 20, 2005 |
I've been helped by Jane too on several occasions. I'd just like to add my best wishes to Deborah's.
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| Yellow card / red card system is employed, without regard to membership status or linguistic ability | Nov 20, 2005 |
For those who may not be aware, we use a yellow-card / red-card system for termination of memberships based on rules violations.
From the moderator manual: "Except in the cases where immediate termination is called for, as outlined in the next section, a member must be given an 'official' warning--by a ProZ.com staff member--before termination of membership will be considered. The warning, which can be considered akin to a yellow card in football/soccer, will make clear that the ne... See more For those who may not be aware, we use a yellow-card / red-card system for termination of memberships based on rules violations.
From the moderator manual: "Except in the cases where immediate termination is called for, as outlined in the next section, a member must be given an 'official' warning--by a ProZ.com staff member--before termination of membership will be considered. The warning, which can be considered akin to a yellow card in football/soccer, will make clear that the next major violation will result in expulsion from ProZ.com. The yellow-card warning will be respectful of the member, and will make clear that any administrative block, etc., will have an end date and that should the member adhere to the rules in the future, full membership rights will be restored."
Jane was given a yellow card warning in February, for violations of KudoZ rules 3.4 (now 5.1) and 4.3 (now 4.4).
The red card was issued last week, for violation of forum rule 9.
Lest anyone assume otherwise, a significant number of emails and warnings from various moderators, to Jane, led up to both the yellow card and red card.
Some have argued that linguistic ability, or membership status, should be considered when site administrators enforce our rules. However, we expect all members to follow the rules, and choose to enforce them consistently, without regard to linguistic ability or membership status. ▲ Collapse
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