arbitraz PL>ENG: 'zaradzic' (problemom)
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W kudoz http://www.proz.com/glossary/512068
padlo pytanie o 'zaradzenie' (problemom).
Asker wybral odpowiedz 'address a problem'.
Moim zdaniem, (i zdaniem wielkiego slownika PWN Oxfordu rowniez, jak i innych angielskich slownikow) 'to address a problem' oznacza 'zajecie sie problemem', a nie 'zaradzenie problemowi'.
O ile jeszcze potrafie rozroznic te dwa slowa w zaradzeniu problemowi znajduje sie jego rozwiazanie, problem, ktoremu 'zaradzono' przestaje byc problemem. Samo 'zajecie' sie problemem nie sugeruje jeszcze, ze problem zniknie.
Dlatego uwazam, ze odpowiedz jest bledna. Mysle, ze lepsze tutaj byloby 'resolve', 'solve', albo 'clear up'.

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pidzej  Identity Verified
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Agree Sep 7, 2003

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I disagree Sep 7, 2003

Since I have proposed the rendering of "address" to "zaradzic," allow me to explain further. In my opinion "address" in its current usage covers a broad context of "dealing with," "working on resolving," and ultimately "resolving" a problem/issue, etc. It serves as an equivalent of "remedy," which, incidentally, Stanislawski lists as "zaradzic." Since the asker had provided only a fragment of the sentence, I proposed "address," a more neutral word than "resolve" or "remedy." I am eager to hear what my colleagues on this forum think on this matter.

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address versus resolve Sep 8, 2003

Chcac miec absolutna pewnosc, ze chodzi tu jednak o rozne znaczenia zadalem to pytanie na English forum, i 'niestety' wszyscy potwierdzili moje przypuszczenia.
Dowod ponizej:

"to address a problem

My question is: is 'addressing a problem' the same as 'resolving a problem'? My feeling is that it isn't. 'Addressing a problem', the way I understand it, is to tackle it, deal with it, which isn't synonymous with finding a solution to it, or to put it differently, make it disappear, which is what happens when a problem is resolved. Recently I've met with an opinion that in American English 'addressing a problem' equals 'resolving a problem'. I would appreciate some comments regarding this issue."

I odpowiedzi:

Marie Scarano] Sep 7 confidence:
you are right

I would also say that addressing a problems is more like "working toward the resolution of a problem" or "facing".
Oh, yes. I am American by the way.

Other pros opinions of this response:

agree Syeda Tanbira Zaman
agree Teletariat
agree Chris Rowson
agree Rowan Morrell: In a translation context: you might address a problem (difficult word or phrase) by looking up the dictionaries, asking on KudoZ etc., but that doesn't mean you've resolved it. You're just working towards resolving it, as Marie rightly says.
agree Terry Burgess: 150%--and I sincerely like Rowan's way of putting it. Nice one Rowan!
agree jerrie
agree Pnina: The Merriam-Webster Dictionary agrees with you. According to it one of the meanings of the verb "address" is "deal with it: treat".
agree Bob Kerns
agree Graciela Carlyle
agree dragaica
agree Mario Marcolin
agree Nancy Arrowsmith: dealing with the problem
agree Ruth Henderson: Addressing a problem may or may not include finding a solution.
agree Susana Galilea
agree Amy Williams: absolutely
agree airmailrpl: facing a problem..working towards resolving it..
agree Rita Heller: focus on a problem, deal with a problem
agree Autobahn
agree Svetozar Georgiev
agree Catherine Norton
agree David Moore: bit like addressing a golf ball, really....suppose that's the connection.

site: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/515743?ridh=1321569&pwd=Wvw5#answ_1321569

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agp124
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zgadzam sie z ensor(em) Sep 8, 2003

agree

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definitions Sep 8, 2003

zaradzić dk VIa, ~dzę, ~dzisz, ~radź, ~dził — rzad. zaradzać ndk I, ~am, ~asz, ~ają, ~aj, ~ał
«znaleźć na coś radę, sposób, uporać się z czymś, sprostać czemuś»
Zaradzić brakom, niedostatkowi.
Potrafiła wszystkiemu zaradzić.
Nie mógł zaradzić złu.

zająć się — zajmować się
1. «zacząć coś wykonywać, pracować nad czymś; zabrać się, wziąć się do czegoś»
(both terms: Słownik j. polskiego PWN)


deal
v. dealt, (dlt) deal·ing, deals
v. tr.
To take action with respect to someone or something: The committee will deal with this complaint.

ad·dress
tr.v. ad·dressed, ad·dress·ing, ad·dress·es

To direct the efforts or attention of (oneself): address oneself to a task.
To deal with: addressed the issue of absenteeism.

(both terms: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition)

Now, going strictly by dictionary definitions, "to address" and "to deal" imply an undertaken action, not a concluded action, while the definition of "zaradzić" clearly indicates a concluded action, as opposed to "zająć się".
In my understanding, "to take action" does not necessarily mean a successful conclusion of that action.
Therefore, IMO, "zająć się" is a better translation of "to address".

Paweł Skaliński





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Kasia Trzcińska-Draper
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zmieniłam wpis Sep 8, 2003

...w glosariuszu, wygląda teraz tak:
zaradzić problemom => resolve/solve problems

Pozdrawiam serdecznie,
Kasia Trzcińska-Draper
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