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Why post in languages other than English in non-language-specific forums?
Thread poster: Kemal Mustajbegovic

Kemal Mustajbegovic  Identity Verified
Local time: 10:28
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Jul 13, 2002

There are different \"language coded\" forums like German, Russian, Spanish, Turkish... and I do not open subject in, let\'s say, Turkish forum. Simple reason beeing - I do not understand Turkish.



But if subject line in any other forum (non-language coded) attracts my attention I would open it, read what has been posted, sometimes I would give my humble contribution.



Get to the point! you shout. Fair enough. Here it comes.



If the subject is not posted in \"language-coded\" forum why some prozes post their responses in LOTE? Such practice is very common for e.g. Spanish speakers. Why?



Yes. Why, I wonder.



Don\'t get me wrong. Please.





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Jane Lamb-Ruiz  Identity Verified
French to English
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Don't understand Jul 13, 2002

What do you mean by \"post responses in LOTE\"



What is Lote?





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Henry Dotterer
Local time: 21:28
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LOTE = languages other than english Jul 13, 2002

I guess...

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Trudy Peters  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 21:28
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Agree with Kemmus Jul 13, 2002

It bugs me, too, to find LOTE-postings (learned something new!) in non-language-specific forums, especially when the heading is in English, and when I open the post, I can\'t read it or only with some difficulty.



Why not post those messages in the respective language forums?



Trudy


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
Germany
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A case in point... Jul 13, 2002

www.proz.com/?sp=bb/viewtopic&eid_c=20821&topic=3888&forum=23&7

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Kemal Mustajbegovic  Identity Verified
Local time: 10:28
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TOPIC STARTER
Do we speak English? Jul 13, 2002

Well, I should have made my point straitforward. What I wanted to say is this:



If there is a question or statement or suggestion or... posted in English for everyone why then - yes, why? - some members post their responses in LOTE?



N.B. Yes, Henry your guess (!?) is correct.


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Leonardo Parachú  Identity Verified
Local time: 23:28
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I acknowledge to my fault Jul 13, 2002

Ralf has mentioned a case in question... Well, I did write in Spanish in that forum. My mistake.



Sorry.
[addsig]


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
Germany
Local time: 03:28
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No worries... Jul 13, 2002

Quote:


On 2002-07-13 16:11, MEATLOAF wrote:

Ralf has mentioned a case in question... Well, I did write in Spanish in that forum. My mistake.



Sorry.





Sorted out already!

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Oleg Osipov  Identity Verified
Russian Federation
Local time: 05:28
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LOTE Jul 14, 2002

IATCOTA\"LOTE\"T!

TY


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Ken Cox  Identity Verified
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because not everybody in the world speaks (or writes) English Jul 14, 2002

OK, English is more or less the modern-day lingua franca, but is seems to me a sort of cultural chauvinism to insist that everyone use it.



(I was standing in an airport terminal queue one time in a South American country, and a couple of Americans were standing behind me. The one asked the other, \'What do you do when you get into a situation where they don\'t speak English?\" The reply was, \'I MAKE them speak English.\')


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
Germany
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Just a matter of practical courtesy... Jul 14, 2002

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On 2002-07-14 10:47, Ken Cox wrote:

OK, English is more or less the modern-day lingua franca, but is seems to me a sort of cultural chauvinism to insist that everyone use it.



The point isn\'t about trying to make everyone speak English everywhere, and all of the time. After all, ProZ features a number of language-specific fora. But as far as general communications across the site are concerned, English is something like a common denominator: the reason why I asked for English to be used in the forum I referred to above was a simple practicality: I had no idea what they were talking about...



IMO adhering to English in the forum threads is simply a matter of convenience for everyone involved.

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Oleg Osipov  Identity Verified
Russian Federation
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LOTE Jul 14, 2002

Dear colleagues,

Truly your forgiveness I implore for a question, which might not fit this posting. Could you please explain what is behind using encoded phrases? It is my understanding that the phenomenon is at large in the USA (no idea about other English-speaking countries). Is it linguistically bound and subject for further thorough studies? Are there any other reasons for this drive? Thank you for the consideration of this matter.

Respectfully submitted,

Alec



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xxxxeni
English to Russian
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Totally agree with Kemmus Jul 14, 2002

Yeah, it is just the matter of being polite - if you address PROZ people in general, not just some specific language forums - please use English! Why not French, German or Russian, for that matter? Just because English is likely to be understood by the majority of us - as simple as that.



Let\'s just be polite!


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aivars  Identity Verified
Argentina
Local time: 23:28
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encoded language Jul 15, 2002

Dear Oleg:

Many of us have learnt something with this LOTE acronym. A you may know acronyms are a quite recent invention (1892). Without delving into the matter I guess that words tend to get shorter following a general market trend of making everything faster.

So, then you have \"thru\" for \"through\" , and \"asap\" for \"as soon as possible\" (phrase which easily justifies its shortening)



I guess that it was Bernard Shaw who proposed a simplification of English. Although I support speed in many respects I have esthetical reservations for converting , e.g. \"Gloucester\" into \"Gloster\" ; Gloucester looks more dignified somehow. In Spanish there was some short debate whether \"Septiembre\" should become \"Setiembre\".

My take on this: style and esthetics should not be readily sacrificed for the sake of practicalities.



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