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Announcing new subject categories for jobs/profiles/KudoZ
Thread poster: Henry Dotterer

Henry Dotterer
Local time: 20:51
SITE FOUNDER
Feb 16, 2003

\"BSOThe Broad System of Ordering (BSO) is a subject classification system based on displayed knowledge organisation. This modern scheme puts forth a wheel-shaped skeleton of contiguous concepts upon which most subjects can be placed (once the flow of the wheel is understood).



A high-generality subset of the BSO categories is being integrated into ProZ.com with the following objectives:



  • Providing a means of expressing specific areas of expertise in profiles and jobs

  • Providing finer KudoZ categorization, enabling more targeted emailing and, eventually,

    member download of field-specific glossaries



    ProZ.com members are advised to enter BSO fields of expertise (working and interest) in their profile page fields section.



    Also, whenever possible, BSO category should be entered at the time new KudoZ questions are posted.

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  • Elinor Thomas  Identity Verified
    Local time: 21:51
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    Agree with Tayfun Feb 16, 2003

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    On 2003-02-16 14:50, 1964 wrote:

    I am specialized and translated in almost 80 % of them in my 19 years of experience and I can not select among them. In my opinion below messages must not be a restrictive one but a advisory.

    \"Too many working BSO categories were selected. Please select 5 or fewer BSO categories that you specialize in. \"









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    Clarisa Moraña  Identity Verified
    Argentina
    Local time: 21:51
    Member (2002)
    English to Spanish
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    Check all that apply. (?) Feb 16, 2003

    Hi, Henry. I do agree with Tayfun.

    After following the instructions:



    Setting Your Fields of Expertise (Clarisa Moraña)



    Use this page to indicate the fields in which you have expertise. Check all that apply.







    I\'ve got the following message:



    Too many working BSO categories were selected. Please select 5 or fewer BSO categories that you specialize in.





    Who decides in which categories I\'m specialized? As a free lance translator with almost 15 years of experience, I\'m sure that I\'m specialist in the selected areas.



    Regards,



    Clarisa Moraña



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    mónica alfonso  Identity Verified
    Local time: 21:51
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    Agree with Tayfun, too! Feb 16, 2003

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    On 2003-02-16 14:50, 1964 wrote:

    I am specialized and translated in almost 80 % of them in my 19 years of experience and I can not select among them. In my opinion below messages must not be a restrictive one but a advisory.

    \"Too many working BSO categories were selected. Please select 5 or fewer BSO categories that you specialize in. \"









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    Maria Luisa Duarte  Identity Verified
    Spain
    Local time: 02:51
    English to Portuguese
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    Also agree with Tayfun. Feb 16, 2003

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    On 2003-02-16 14:50, 1964 wrote:

    I am specialized and translated in almost 80 % of them in my 19 years of experience and I can not select among them. In my opinion below messages must not be a restrictive one but a advisory.

    \"Too many working BSO categories were selected. Please select 5 or fewer BSO categories that you specialize in. \"









    [ This Message was edited by:on2003-02-16 16:09]


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    Silvina Beatriz Codina  Identity Verified
    Argentina
    Local time: 21:51
    Member (2002)
    English to Spanish
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    A humble suggestion Feb 16, 2003

    First of all, thanks for addressing this need: we had been remarking on the fact that the \"expertise\" categories were too broad for some time now. I expect that this further category subdivision will be quite beneficial.



    I think the colleagues have a point regarding the number of \"working\" categories. My suggestion is, if this is feasible, to add another category apart from \"Working\" and \"Interest\", which might be \"specialist\" or \"expert.\" I do believe one can be a \"specialist\" in a limited number of fields, but those of us who have been working as freelancers for several years have worked in a large number of fields in which we have solid working knowledge and expertise. What I suggest is to set a lower limit for the number of \"specialist\" subjects (five will be OK in this case), and a higher limit for \"working\" subjects.



    Also, could it be possible to subdivide the \"Art\" category? I\'m asking because I looked for \"Music\" and it wasn\'t there. I have to choose \"art,\" which may lead people to think I am conversant with painting or sculpture (I like either, but I don\'t know enough about the technicalities).

    [ This Message was edited by:on2003-02-16 16:15]


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    Alison Schwitzgebel
    France
    Local time: 02:51
    Member (2002)
    German to English
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    Enterprise management is a very broad category Feb 16, 2003

    Enterprise management is a very broad category, especially when we consider the fact that it covers marketing, production management, accounting, human resources, investor relations, administration, insurance.....



    Not to mention the lack of a category for banking or even finance in general.



    Don\'t get me wrong, I think that this is a great step in the right direction, but that some enhancements are certainly needed.



    Alison


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    Henry Dotterer
    Local time: 20:51
    SITE FOUNDER
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    We do not intend to create our own category structures Feb 16, 2003

    Hi all,



    We may eventually add more detailed categories from among those identified in the BSO. However, we do not plan to create our own category structure. So for the time being, we will use the general BSO categories (fixed by them, not us), which are not perfect, but do represent a step forward for us. (Categories are tricky business and we prefer to leave it to the experts!)


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    Henry Dotterer
    Local time: 20:51
    SITE FOUNDER
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    Great suggestion, Silvina! Feb 16, 2003

    As for the suggestion of creating three tiers by adding \'speciality\' to \'working\' and \'interest\', it is a great suggestion. We\'ll do it, and raise the maximum number of working fields.

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    Antonella Andreella  Identity Verified
    Italy
    Local time: 02:51
    German to Italian
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    Fields vs Language Feb 16, 2003

    Would it be possible to select working, interest, and expert fields for each single language combination?







    Antonella


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    Kim Metzger  Identity Verified
    Mexico
    Local time: 19:51
    German to English
    My plea to add Social Science to the KudoZ categories Feb 16, 2003

    Hi Henry, a month ago or so, Nicole Tata made a good suggestion that I would love to see implemented: add social science to the KudoZ categories. Actually, I\'d also like to see Gastronomy added, but that might be going too far. My reasons for wanting this change were wonderfully explained by Nicole:



    \"I have a problem, and I’m sure I’m not the only one. I am not a technical translator, or specialise in science or medical texts, I am not even a finance/accounting wizard. That is why I am unlikely ever to accumulate a credible number of Kudoz points in any of these categories. My areas of specialisation cut across several categories – Arts/Lit, Marketing, Business, Other – and that is where the problem lies. How do I show my areas of specialisation in my profile page if my Kudoz points total is made up of 50% ‘other’ points? Doesn’t really look too good, does it? Nor does it do justice to my professional image.

    Have you recently looked at what exactly is posted under ‘other’? I had a good look at my language pair, and made the following discoveries:

    - Some questions should have been posted under a different category but no-one bothered to change this. How free are we to edit questions in this respect? Should we all do this more often?

    - Some questions are homework/phrasebook/ simple dictionary type questions. Fine, no problem with that (well I have, but that’s a different story…)

    - Some questions are general idiomatic expressions, slang, all sorts of odds and ends, exactly the sort of thing you would expect to find under ‘other’.

    - And then there are a host of questions that could really be grouped together as a NEW category which I am proposing here: SOCIAL SCIENCE – to include Education, History, Sociology, Philosophy, etc, basically any questions that fit somewhere between Arts/Lit and Business/Finance.

    I really do believe there is a big gap here which needs to be filled. So let’s start the debate.

    Regards

    Nicole



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    Domenica Grangiotti  Identity Verified
    Local time: 02:51
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    Agree with Antonella Feb 17, 2003

    I translate both from French and from English, but fields of expertise are not the same. It would be a great help if we could identify expertise AND language pair.

    Thanks.

    Domenica


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    xxxcandan
    Local time: 01:51
    Turkish to English
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    Sorry, disagree with all! Feb 17, 2003

    No sense to specify a specific field, particularly to secure a job order. At any rate, any \"professional\" appearing on this site may send a direct mail to any job poster, and secure an order in the field of astology by offering an incredible rate, ie. USD 0.02, though we see \"engineering\" in his/her profile page.

    To me, it appears more appropriate to mention no field in this field.

    HTH

    C.W.


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    Nicole Tata  Identity Verified
    Local time: 01:51
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    a cautious thumbs up Feb 17, 2003

    I couldn’t believe it when I logged on to proz the other day! There it was on the opening page: BSO categories to be introduced. So there is someone out there listening after all! Having only recently proposed that ‘social science’ should be added as a Kudoz category, I wasn’t actually ready for anything to happen so soon (if at all). So well done, proz team!



    BUT - and I suppose a ‘but’ is inevitable -



    as others have already pointed out, there do seem to be some glaringly obvious omissions. Coupled with that, it seems to me that the ‘wheel’ is strongly biased towards science/technology which, as a non-technical translator, I find somewhat unhelpful:

    There is a category for crystallogy (!), but nothing at all for marketing, advertising, PR or market research. I can find metrology but not finance, accounting or banking. Art yes - music no. There’s a field for sports/games but where is food & drink? Will other categories be added as the need arises or are we now ‘stuck’ with the new order?

    There is also another point to be made. Presumably, Kudoz points will continue to be shown broken down by general areas of specialisation (as opposed to by BSO). Unless something changes there, I for one will still have a disproportionate number of ‘other’ points which doesn’t give my profile a great deal of credibility. For that reason, I would still like to see \'social science\' added to the general fields options.



    The new system is a welcome step in the right direction. However, there is clearly some work still to be done.

    Best regards

    Nicole



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    Antonella Andreella  Identity Verified
    Italy
    Local time: 02:51
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    Agree with Nicole Feb 18, 2003





    Antonella


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