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Please, more chances for non-members to submit bids!
Thread poster: Paul Dixon

Paul Dixon  Identity Verified
Brazil
Local time: 16:30
Portuguese to English
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Jan 4, 2007

My suggestion is that more time should be given before jobs are closed, so that people who are not Platinum have time to make their bids. What I have seen is that quite often jobs are closed before the "non-payer waiting time" of 12 hours has even expired - which means that non-payers do not even have a chance to bid for the top jobs.
For example, earlier today I saw a job "members only until 23:38 GMT", so at exactly 23:38 I opened the site to enter my bid - and the job had already been closed!
You will of course be asking why I don't become a member - this is because I get little work and so many bills that I can't afford it. So we have the vicious circle: no membership as I can't afford it, and can't afford it as there are no jobs.


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Walter Landesman  Identity Verified
Uruguay
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the other way around. Jan 4, 2007

In order to make money one has to invest money.

Becoming a member is an investment. And applying for jobs during the first few hours of posting and having - then - more chances to get the job, is one of the benefits of membership, among others.

You don`t become a member when you have zillions of clients and therefore the money to pay for your membership. You don`t need it then. You need it now.


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Silvia Calderón  Identity Verified
Argentina
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Welcome to the circle! Jan 4, 2007

I thought I was walking "the circle" on my own.

Silvia.


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sokolniki  Identity Verified
United States
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Agree with Walter Jan 4, 2007

In addition to full-scale membership, you have a partial membership option which enables you to bid on jobs. I am quite happy with this kind of membership and in general appreciate the fact that everybody is given more than one option to buy a Proz membership.

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Mikhail Kropotov  Identity Verified
Russian Federation
Local time: 21:30
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Ahem Jan 4, 2007

You may want to consider the fact that even a single job will most probably cover the expense of 1 year's ProZ.com membership...

I don't want to rain on your parade or anything, but quoting on jobs without being a (partial) member is really impractical. Your quote will be displayed lower than everyone else's and has a lesser chance of being noticed.


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Astrid Elke Witte  Identity Verified
Germany
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German to English
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The jobs are often (at least relatively) urgent Jan 4, 2007

In other words, the outsourcer may have to assign the job within two or three hours, so then it is not possible to leave the job open for 12 hours, because a translator had to be found within 3 hours, so 9 hours later the job no longer exists. This is unfortunate, but it is just the way things work.

Astrid


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shstephaniepark
South Korea
English to Korean
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For some members, it is quite big money to pay it at once. Jan 4, 2007

True, being member is an investment.

But paying such money at one time can be too much financial burden for some translators living in developing countries.

Even though USD is relatively weak these days, USD 100 can be percieved as "big investment".

Personally, I prefer to pay USD 10 per month for the period of 10 months purchasing annual membership.

I hope Proz.com could afford this kind of payment or diversify membership period, for example, for a month, for three months, and for six months.


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Juan Jacob  Identity Verified
Mexico
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French to Spanish
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Don't agree. Jan 4, 2007

As you, I'm not a paying member. But active in ProZ, though.

In this case, I must agree with something I've been told a lots of times, right here:

"You don't pay, you don't play."


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Hipyan Nopri  Identity Verified
Indonesia
Local time: 01:30
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Worth Considering Suggestion Jan 4, 2007

Sunghee Park wrote:

Personally, I prefer to pay USD 10 per month for the period of 10 months purchasing annual membership.



[Edited at 2007-01-04 01:06]

[Edited at 2007-01-04 01:07]


I agree with Sunghee regarding more flexibility in membership. ProZ.com may set membership periods ranging from 1 month to 12 months. Thus, prospective members are provided with more alternative options.


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Patrice  Identity Verified
United States
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So Worth It Jan 4, 2007

I say, save your money and pay! Go without something else to pay for it. Joining Proz is an investment I have never regretted.

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Iván Rodríguez R.
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They have money back guarantee Jan 4, 2007

I suggest you try if you can afford it. If it doesn't work as you expect or you don't like it, then...

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Mulyadi Subali  Identity Verified
Indonesia
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do you really want to bid for jobs? Jan 4, 2007

personally, i dislike bidding for jobs. imnsho, it's not a good way to do. let's be honest, the main criterion for bidding would most likely be the rate/price, which means the lower you go, the bigger your chance to get the job. how low are you willing to go?
what most interest me to join proz is its extensive blueboard database, along with its payment reputation/lwa. you can contact 4+ outsourcers your information. i believe if you have the necessary qualifications, they will contact you when they have a job. so, there's no need for bidding. and what's interesting is that you don't have to join proz to 'use' this method...


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Özden Arıkan  Identity Verified
Germany
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Member
English to Turkish
Couldn't be expressed better! Jan 4, 2007

Walter said:

You don`t become a member when you have zillions of clients and therefore the money to pay for your membership. You don`t need it then. You need it now.




But then, Mulyadi is right, too: you won't need to bid once you become a member.


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William [Bill] Gray  Identity Verified
Norway
Local time: 19:30
Member (2006)
English
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Agree with Walter... Jan 4, 2007

Walter Landesman wrote:

In order to make money one has to invest money.

Becoming a member is an investment. And applying for jobs during the first few hours of posting and having - then - more chances to get the job, is one of the benefits of membership, among others.

You don`t become a member when you have zillions of clients and therefore the money to pay for your membership. You don`t need it then. You need it now.


It was very difficult for me to invest the first time. I wasn't earning very much (50% job and a couple of translations every so often) but decided to take the plunge. I have NEVER regretted it: new work opportunities (from all over the world; Norwegian is a small language by world standards), new friendships developed and an opportunity to engage in translating related activities (forums, kudoz, conferences, article database, blueboard, willingness-to-work-again ratings). I have more than quadrupled my translating work since joining.

I also find it extremely useful to refer to my ProZ.com page even when talking with "pre-ProZ" customers (and no, they have never deserted me for cheaper translators!) since it shows details of my ability and involvement which would take me hours to add to my company web page.

ProZ.com is one of the BEST investments you will ever make in your translating career!

NO advertising allowed, I'm sure, so I'll just yell: JOIN NOW!!

Bill



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xxxSaifa
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Agree with Mulyadi Jan 4, 2007

Mulyadi Subali wrote:

personally, i dislike bidding for jobs. imnsho, it's not a good way to do.


I could not agree more. I am a paying member, but I am not using the bidding system of this site and any others sites, for the reasons mentioned above.

Saifa

[Edited at 2007-01-04 10:41]


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