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Proposing ‘Social Science’ as a new ‘Kudoz question field’ category (Staff:'done')
Thread poster: Nicole Tata

Nicole Tata  Identity Verified
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Jan 13, 2003

Hi everyone,

I have a problem, and I’m sure I’m not the only one. I am not a technical translator, or specialise in science or medical texts, I am not even a finance/accounting wizard. That is why I am unlikely ever to accumulate a credible number of Kudoz points in any of these categories. My areas of specialisation cut across several categories – Arts/Lit, Marketing, Business, Other – and that is where the problem lies. How do I show my areas of specialisation in my profile page if my Kudoz points total is made up of 50% ‘other’ points? Doesn’t really look too good, does it? Nor does it do justice to my professional image.

Have you recently looked at what exactly is posted under ‘other’? I had a good look at my language pair, and made the following discoveries:

- Some questions should have been posted under a different category but no-one bothered to change this. How free are we to edit questions in this respect? Should we all do this more often?

- Some questions are homework/phrasebook/ simple dictionary type questions. Fine, no problem with that (well I have, but that’s a different story…)

- Some questions are general idiomatic expressions, slang, all sorts of odds and ends, exactly the sort of thing you would expect to find under ‘other’.

- And then there are a host of questions that could really be grouped together as a NEW category which I am proposing here: SOCIAL SCIENCE – to include Education, History, Sociology, Philosophy, etc, basically any questions that fit somewhere between Arts/Lit and Business/Finance.

I really do believe there is a big gap here which needs to be filled. So let’s start the debate.

Regards

Nicole











[Subject edited by staff or moderator 2005-02-03 19:19]


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xxxNicolette Ri
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You may add: Jan 13, 2003

psychology

human resources

management

and training courses of all kinds (how to be a chief, how to sell more)!



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Parrot  Identity Verified
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Actually... Jan 13, 2003

I\'m surprised it\'s not a specialisation. A pity because this is one type of job I would NEVER turn down in German... (or any other language, but a large bulk of the scholarship is in German).

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Gayle Wallimann  Identity Verified
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You're right. Jan 13, 2003

You have a good suggestion, Nicole. I would also like to see social science as a category, or even more specific ones if it\'s possible.

Gayle


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Henry Dotterer
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Please notice the option to add a BSO category when asking Jan 13, 2003

We have taken one step in the process of increasing the number of categories. We have decided to try using the BSO (Broad System of Ordering) approach for categories.



If you look at the form for asking questions, you will see a field for BSO category. The preferred way of entering a BSO category is to click on \'select\', and then click on a specific category, which will cause that category to be inserted into the entry box.



At the moment we do not do anything with the data entered. We are gathering data on which categories are selected before deciding on further changes.


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jerrie  Identity Verified
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In the same boat Jan 13, 2003

I agree, Nicole...I am in the same boat, specialising in \'non-technical\' texts.

I think the \'other\' category could easily be broken down into further more specialised categories.

Good suggestion!!


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Sonja Tomaskovic  Identity Verified
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Never noticed the BSO field before Jan 13, 2003

Quote:


We have taken one step in the process of increasing the number of categories. We have decided to try using the BSO (Broad System of Ordering) approach for categories.



If you look at the form for asking questions, you will see a field for BSO category. The preferred way of entering a BSO category is to click on \'select\', and then click on a specific category, which will cause that category to be inserted into the entry box.



At the moment we do not do anything with the data entered. We are gathering data on which categories are selected before deciding on further changes.





Hi Henry,



thanks for throwing a light on this.

Actually, I never really noticed the BSO field before.



However, the idea of assigning questions a more specific subject area is definitely necessary.



I hope that this or any similar structure will be implemented in the future.







Regards,



Sonja

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Gayle Wallimann  Identity Verified
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Concerning BSO category Jan 13, 2003

Henry, I did notice BSO when I asked a question last week, I used it, however, it did not show up on my question and some people asked me to be more precise in my context, which I had done with the BSO that didn\'t show up. (My context was software development for one question, and database design for another question.) People were not sure of which one was being referred to. I hope it works well now.

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hirselina
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Social sciences Jan 13, 2003

You have a point, Nicole, \"Social sciences\" would definitely be an interesting new category.

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Nicole Tata  Identity Verified
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Sorry Henry, BSO doesn't go far enough Jan 13, 2003

Thanks Henry for pointing out the extra BSO categories on the ‘ask question’ form – I hadn’t noticed this before and, more importantly, I have yet to see a question where the asker used one of these extra categories. Are Kudoz points then attributed to these more detailed categories? If not, there doesn’t seem much point in having them.

My point, briefly, is this:

Askers who are unsure as to which field to select for their question (because none of the fields currently on offer fit the bill), are likely to choose the path of least resistance and simply go for ‘other’, rather than spending extra time wading through the myriad of options on the BSO page. Quite frankly, askers that are not also answerers don’t really care about classification issues, and why should they?.

Answerers, on the other hand, answer questions in order to boost their profile page with evidence of translation skills. There, the question fields DO count a great deal. In fact, one might argue that this is the whole point of proz. However, as the system stands, there is a gaping hole for all those specialising in social science fields.

From a technical point of view, I can’t see any problem in adding ‘Social Science’ as a question field.

Any others out there who would care to comment?







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Patricia Posadas  Identity Verified
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Good point Nicole Jan 14, 2003

I would also like to see a \'social science\' category! That\'s one of my major fields of work.

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Endre Both  Identity Verified
Germany
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Social sciences + natural sciences Jan 23, 2003

I very much like the idea of adding \"Social sciences\" as a main KudoZ category and changing \"Science\" into \"Natural Sciences\" (an idea suggested by Steffen Walter).



Regarding BSO categorisation: the problem lies less with appropriate categorisation from the point of view of the answerers (where the BSO categories may be helpful) than with the impression gained by potential customers looking at one\'s profile page. I tend to agree with Nicole that getting the bulk of one\'s points from the \"Other\" category creates a less favourable impression than, say, \"Business\" or \"Technology\".



After all, we would like customers to look not only at our overall KudoZ score but also the questions the points come from (I certainly do so when looking for someone to co-operate with). And the KudoZ categories are the first bit of information offered when looking at a particular language pair in a profile.



Endre Both

EB Communications



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manducci  Identity Verified
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social science as new question category Feb 2, 2003

Well said Nicole: as a predominantly non- technical translator myself(and graduate in social and political science), I totally agree there is a gap to be filled here.

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