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YaHERTY keyboard, revisited
Thread poster: Yngve Roennike

Yngve Roennike  Identity Verified
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Jun 25, 2005

Sorry, to interrupt you all again, but is it now possible to implant permanently the said keyboard on your PC with an XP platform?

I sent an e-mail to ABBY about the same question, because it is their electronic dictionary I would like to use again.

Does a resource have to be downloaded from somewhere?


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ttagir  Identity Verified
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pls see the topic and Jun 25, 2005

some ideas there (e.g., contribution about PARAWIN - an old KB driver which manages well Rus problems)
http://www.proz.com/topic/33058?start=15
There are three pages:)
Good luck!
Yours,
T.


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Yngve Roennike  Identity Verified
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Old links, mostly. Jun 25, 2005

Yes, I did consult that page first, but most links are dead, and I got tired of clicking.

Any fresh suggestions. It is amazing the trouble one has to go through. Why could not MS simply make it an option - beats me!

I should also say that I once queried this issue before, and the result was that I got a program that worked well in MS Windows ME edition, but not in XP, which I now have exclusively.

I'd also prefer amy replies to be written in English, not that I don't understand Russian, but I am able to better focus on the message, if in English

Spasibo.



[Edited at 2005-06-25 14:07]


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ttagir  Identity Verified
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Worth an attempt:) Jun 25, 2005

Yngve Roennike wrote:
Yes, I did consult that page first, but most links are dead, and I got tired of clicking.
Spasibo.



[Edited at 2005-06-25 14:07]

Was not it English I was answering you in in me preivous posting?:)

Please see:
http://www.paratype.ru/soft/default.htm (http://www.paratype.ru/soft/right.html was suggested by your colleage with German in his LPs).

See also
http://www.smartlinkcorp.com/new/banners/banner_MT72102.htm
http://www.datacal.com/s-parawinxp.htm
www.paratype.ru/soft/parawinnt/pwin2000.html

Have a nice weekend!
T.
PS. ALmost all links say that WXP is supported.
T.

[Edited at 2005-06-25 15:39]


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Keybord Ninja :) Jun 25, 2005

I suggest to try this one first. Although I don't use Russian phonetic keybord myself I find Keyboard Ninja extremely useful when it comes to layout switching. It is free, flexible and customizable. And the layout you are looking for is there, waiting to be switched to. Moreover you'll have a handy layout editor at your disposal. Here is some quote:
Можно создавать свои раскладки и "подменять" ими текущие системные. В комплекте с русским языком идет Русская Фонетическая раскладка (ЯВЕРТЫ). Включается без перезагрузки системы, не требует никаких драйверов и дополнительных файлов. Можно даже буквы местами менять прямо по ходу работы. И Авто-Переключатель продолжает при этом работать!
Keyboard Ninja What's new? (Russian)

Have a good switching!
Witold

[Edited at 2005-06-25 21:55]


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dropofrain  Identity Verified
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MS keyboard layout creator Jun 27, 2005

did you try to install MSKLC?
I used to have a very simple program to change my layouts and switch languages which made me pretty happy. It worked perfectly with Windows 95 and 97 but when I got my Windows XP I had to look for some other options. Just last week I installed MS keyboard layout creator (it's free to download from their website). It is easy to install and easy to use. You could create your own layout from a scratch or modify an existing one. All I have to do now is to use a keyboard shortcut "ALT+SHIFT" to switch between languages while I am typing.
I hope that helps.


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Yngve Roennike  Identity Verified
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YaHERTY visited Jun 28, 2005

Nice crop of answers. Look forward to try some of these links out.
Just got sidetracked by something else, but I'll get there.

Update: www.cyrillic.com is a worthwhile site to visit, recommended by ABBY Lingvo. However, remember to set the code not to Unicode but the Windows selection (I forget the actual wording). That way the Cyrillic.com software will the override Windows's Russian or any layout, and you can select the Student layout, which is the same as YaHERTY, if that is the layout you prefer.

The slightly dissappointing thing about it is that it changes the keyboard globally through programs, meaning that you have to change back to the English keyboard when translating, and then to the Russian keyboard, when you look up words. This can be done with hotkeys, though.

Just thought you'd all like to know.

Yngve



[Edited at 2005-07-11 23:02]


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PavelUSA
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Found via search and realized that he did not get the answer... May 16, 2007

Yngve Roennike wrote:

Sorry, to interrupt you all again, but is it now possible to implant permanently the said keyboard on your PC with an XP platform?

Does a resource have to be downloaded from somewhere?


Not just XP, but also 2003 and Vista...

There is no need in any 3rd part _program_ (such as suggested ParaWin or Chameleon or one from Cyrillic.com), you need just a small layout _file_ that works with regular _system_ keyboard tools built into Windows.

There is nothing better, problem-free, logical than _system_ keyboard tools - any _3rd party_ programs are definitely WORSE.

Here is an instructional page of such tune-up of _system_ keyboard (reversible of course) - contain both the steps for complete novice (thus takes 20 minutes) and the stesp for a person who know Windows a little bit better (takes 3 munutes):

http://Phonetic.RusWin.net

( same in Russian: http://Phon.RusWin.net )



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Vista works fine! Nov 2, 2007

Thanks, Pavel.
I finally got around to doing this on my new Vista installed computers.
A lot easier than previous installs from this great guy.
However, one problem was that I cannot get the alternate keyboard where W and B are switched (Yawerty?) to work. There seems to be no setup feature available there as there was under Yaherty.

I think I prefer that one.


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PavelUSA
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Phonetic (homophonic) Russian keyboard layout Nov 2, 2007

Let me check if one of the variants have no setup...

Ok, I played a visitor to my site, went to http://Phonetic.RusWin.net then navigated towards Download section - http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/kbd_e.htm#inst

and downloaded BOTH variants for XP/2003/Vista -
http://geocities.com/paulgor1/kbdru_y.zip
and
http://geocities.com/paulgor1/kbdru_zh.zip

into two different folders I've created -
c:\temp\1 and c:\temp\2

After unzipping I saw that both variants do have setup.exe

So please try again... You may want to UNinstall the variant which you have currently active -
either by running its setup.exe and choosing "uninstall" or by going to Control Panel and clicking "Remove" on that variant



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I used the same directory for both variants! Nov 3, 2007

Okay, I downloaded both variants to the same directory.
I am going to try the whole thing on another Vista-run computer, and see what happens.

There is definitely not a setup.exe in that folder under the zh variant, which is quite obvious, because it has all the other stuff except that particular file.

I'll provide you with a PSUR (patient safety update report), when I get around to it tomorrow, or so.

Clearly, having the letter bee in the same position as on the qwerty keyboard is an advantage, at least to me.


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PavelUSA
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My today's test shows all in place Nov 3, 2007



There is definitely not a setup.exe in that folder under the zh variant, which is quite obvious, because it has all the other stuff except that particular file.


I definitely see setup.exe in a brand new folder I created where I downloaded .zip into and then unzipped it.



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Yngve Roennike  Identity Verified
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Alrighty then! Dec 7, 2007

Alright, thanks Pavel.

I don't know about the notebook computer I was playing around with, I'll have to go back and do some fiddling, but I simply downloaded the links you indicate to another desktop computer, and so far the zh version seems to install seamlessly.

This is a great improvement over the other YaHERTY keyboard I had installed, I forget from which company, and which was less flexible in some of its aspects, e.g., it overrode all the other language settings, so you had to switch back and forth in other programs, i.e., from Russian to English.

We need to hit on MS though, for being so nonchalant about not providing this type of Russian keyboard layout in the first place.

Yngve

[Edited at 2007-12-07 17:11]


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