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Indesign CS5 IDML - Trados compatibility?

Jan Sundström
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May 11, 2010

Hi all,

I just realized that Indesign CS5 cannot export as INX anymore.
I understand that Trados Studio 2009 is compatible and can handle IDML.
But what about users on older Trados versions?

Have any of you tried it, and did you have to apply any workarounds (ie downsave to INX in CS4 or earlier)?
Or have you been successful just running the XML tag settings wizards to create an .ini file for IDML?

Any other CAT tools that are known good with IDML?

I just saw Selcuk posting his results from using Dejavu DVX successfully:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/dejavu-l/message/101156

Selcuk Akyuz

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CS4 IDML

May 11, 2010

AFAIK, SDL Trados Studio 2009 IDML filter supports only CS4 IDML files. SDL may develop a new filter or update the existing one.

And as for the older versions of Trados, I think TagEditor can be used.

Selcuk

SDL Support

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Coming soon..

May 11, 2010

Hi Jan,

As Selcuk suggested we will be coming out with this very soon. Also correctly stated, TagEditor cannot be used.

I sometimes wonder whether Selcuk is really a closet SDL Trados fan

Regards

Paul

Selcuk Akyuz

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TagEditor

May 11, 2010

SDL Support wrote:

Hi Jan,

As Selcuk suggested we will be coming out with this very soon. Also correctly stated, TagEditor cannot be used.

I don't have any time to test it, but in my opinion TagEditor can be used. Change the file extension from idml to zip, decompress the file and translate the stories with TagEditor (xml filter).

SDL Support wrote:

I sometimes wonder whether Selcuk is really a closet SDL Trados fan

Honestly, I am not! Any changes in MultiTerm?

SDL Support

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Using TagEditor for IDML

May 11, 2010

Selcuk Akyuz wrote:
I don't have any time to test it, but in my opinion TagEditor can be used. Change the file extension from idml to zip, decompress the file and translate the stories with TagEditor (xml filter).

Hi Selcuk,

In the way you describe, I'm also sure it could be done as long as you know what you are doing; I guess in the same way you could do docx, xslx etc. with any tool capable of working with xml.

I was really referring to a specific filter to take all the work out of the workaround and to provide peripheral information to assist the translator whilst working in the editor. That will not be provided for TagEditor.

Nice workaround though, but I guess only one for people comfortable with what they are doing like your good self.

Kind regards

Paul

Jan Sundström
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Success using which versions?

May 12, 2010

Selcuk, you're a genius! Haven't tried this yet, but I will.

So, using the XML filter, which TagEditor versions would you figure it works with?
As far back as Trados 6.5?
Did anyone else try this? Post your results here...

mausch
Switzerland

IDML XML filter

Sep 26, 2010

Hi, this conversation was very useful for me. I created the hereunder Trados 2009 XML filter. This allows me to translate the content by means of the Tag Editor.

[GeneralSGMLSettings]
CaseSensitive=Yes
DTDSpecification=
DTDSpecificationType=None
DOCTYPE=idPkg:Story
DescriptiveName=IDML
[Tags]
Tag1=AnchoredObjectSetting:External,Other Attributes:AnchoredPosition,SpineRelative,LockPosition,PinPosition,AnchorPoint,HorizontalAlignment,HorizontalReferencePoint,VerticalAlignment,VerticalReferencePoint,AnchorXoffset,AnchorYoffset,AnchorSpaceAbove
Tag2=ParagraphStyleRange:External,Other Attributes:AppliedParagraphStyle,HyphenationZone,SpaceAfter,MaximumWordSpacing,MinimumWordSpacing,MaximumGlyphScaling,MinimumGlyphScaling,RuleAboveLineWeight,RuleBelowLineWeight,HyphenateLastWord,SingleWordJustification,HyphenWeight,GridAlignment
Tag3=AppliedFont:External,Group,Other Attributes:type
Tag4=GeometryPathType:External,Other Attributes:PathOpen
DefaultTagStyle=External
Tag5=CharacterStyleRange:External,Other Attributes:AppliedCharacterStyle,FillColor,FontStyle,PointSize,StrokeWeight,Tracking,AppliedLanguage,RubyFontSize,RubyXScale,KentenFontSize,KentenXScale,KerningValue,BaselineShift
Tag6=Content:External
Tag7=idPkg:Story:External,Other Attributes:xmlns:idPkg,DOMVersion
Tag8=Story:External,Other Attributes:Self,AppliedTOCStyle,TrackChanges,StoryTitle,AppliedNamedGrid
Tag9=TextWrapOffset:External,Other Attributes:Top,Left,Bottom,Right
Tag10=PathPointType:External,Other Attributes:Anchor,LeftDirection,RightDirection
Tag11=PathGeometry:External
Tag12=TextWrapPreference:External,Other Attributes:Inverse,ApplyToMasterPageOnly,TextWrapSide,TextWrapMode
Tag13=InCopyExportOption:External,Other Attributes:IncludeGraphicProxies,IncludeAllResources
Tag14=StoryPreference:External,Other Attributes:OpticalMarginAlignment,OpticalMarginSize,FrameType,StoryOrientation,StoryDirection
Tag15=Br:External
Tag16=GraphicLine:External,Other Attributes:Self,ContentType,LockState,StrokeWeight,StrokeColor,GradientFillStart,GradientFillLength,GradientFillAngle,GradientStrokeStart,GradientStrokeLength,GradientStrokeAngle,Locked,LocalDisplaySetting,GradientFillHiliteLength,GradientFillHiliteAngle,GradientStrokeHiliteLength,GradientStrokeHiliteAngle,AppliedObjectStyle,Visible,Name,ItemTransform
Tag17=PathPointArray:External
Tag18=Properties:External,Group
Tag19=Leading:External,Other Attributes:type
Tag20=--end--
[FormatMappings]
DefaultTextFormat=Not Bold,Not Italics,Not Underline,Not DoubleUnderline,Not Strikethrough,Not Subscript,Not Superscript,Not SmallCaps,Colour:Black,Size:10.0,Face:Arial
DisableFontTag=No
Map1=--end--
[Symbols]
DontConvert=No
ISOamsa=No
ISOamsb=No
ISOamsc=No
ISOamsn=No
ISOamso=No
ISOamsr=No
ISObox=No
ISOcyr1=No
ISOcyr2=No
ISOdia=No
ISOgrk1=No
ISOgrk2=No
ISOgrk3=No
ISOgrk4=No
ISOlat1=No
ISOlat2=No
ISOnum=No
ISOpub=No
ISOtech=No
HTMLspecial=No
HTMLsymbol=No
XmlDefault=Yes
AddSymbol1=--end--
SkipSymbol1=--end--
[ReaderSettings]
KeepLineBreaks=No
KeepLineBreaksAfterPunctuation=No
AllowTranslatableScripts=Yes
MetaCharsetTreatment=Add
XmlLangEmitMode=Leave
Utf8BomHandling=Preserve
[Viewer]
External=0
Path=

Maurice

Marinus Vesseur

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How to apply the IDML filter in Trados TagEditor

Dec 3, 2010

Thanks Maurice

Now for the non-experts: what do I do with this filter? Make an ini file and use it as Tag Settings?

Any help would be very welcome. I would like to share work with a colleague who only has Trados 2007, but it's all in InDesign CS4 format.

- Rien

mausch wrote:

Hi, this conversation was very useful for me. I created the hereunder Trados 2009 XML filter. This allows me to translate the content by means of the Tag Editor.

[GeneralSGMLSettings]
CaseSensitive=Yes
.....
Path=

Maurice

Stanislav Pokorny

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Save as INI

Dec 3, 2010

Hello Marinus,
I guess you can simply copy the settings to the Notepad and save the file as a "filename.INI". I would prefer two changes in the above XML settings:
KeepLineBreaks=Yes
KeepLineBreaksAfterPunctuation=Yes

Marinus Vesseur

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For some reason that doesn't work..

Dec 4, 2010

Should I use another ini filter as template, maybe?

I'm working with Trados 2007 SP2 in Win 7 64 bit and the file is InDesisgn CS5 IDML.

This is what I get:

and then:

Thanks, Stanislav

Have a good weekend!

-Rien

[Edited at 2010-12-04 01:06 GMT]

[Edited at 2010-12-04 01:09 GMT]

Stanislav Pokorny

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I would start from scratch

Dec 5, 2010

Hello Marinus,
in this case, I would start from scratch, i.e. creating a completely new INI file for IDML. It shouldn't be too much of a trouble, but why would you want to do this if you have Studio that features the corresponding SDLFILETYPE...?

Marinus Vesseur

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Older version CAT tool incompatibility

Dec 6, 2010

Basically I want to enable colleagues that have older versions of Trados to work with IDML. I suppose there is the option of exporting the same InDesign file in the INX format, but these files are larger and cause more problems when restoring to InDesign, or so I hear.

That's the dilemma.

Stanislav Pokorny wrote:
... why would you want to do this if you have Studio that features the corresponding SDLFILETYPE...?

Stanislav Pokorny

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True

Dec 6, 2010

Hello Marinus,
what you say is definitely true. I will try to create an INI, but only as soon as I have enough time, which will be definitely no sooner than January 2011.

Marinus Vesseur

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SDL Trados 2007 can't handle IDML..

Dec 27, 2010

..but CafeTran can (www.cafetran.republika.pl). And it does it a lot better better than SDL Studio even. Once more a low-budget CAT tool outshines the Rolls Royce of CAT tools.