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Topics that are "not of general interest" : who decides ?
Thread poster: Stéphanie Soudais

Stéphanie Soudais  Identity Verified
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Oct 11, 2008

Dear all,

I am opening a new thread after having written a post in the following thread (about the "most recent posts" page):

http://www.proz.com/topic/109265?pg=e

Since the post I wrote in that thread does not appear on the "most recent posts" page, I have almost no chance to be read, which is quite unfair, I think.

In that post I was wondering why some threads do not deserve to appear on the "most recent posts" page and what criteria are taken into account, and by whom.

I regularly check the "most recent posts" page and am generally interested in a lot of threads. But I don't always tick the track box (don't want to get too many email notifications), which means that I might forget to check if a thread is still active.

The fact that some threads are "not of general interest" (staff's words), is this not a way to "kill" a thread or to prevent it to be reactivated ?

Stéphanie


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moken  Identity Verified
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Maybe it's really "Most recent topics" Oct 11, 2008

Hi Stephanie,

Could it be that "Most recent posts" are actually "Most recent topics?", i.e. new threads.
I flicked through the first few and see that they are organised according to the date/time of the initial post.

I have also noticed that when you go to each individual 'Forum', then you do get a list of "most recent posts" (check this by clicking the "Site forums" forum on the "Most recent posts" page and you'll see that Barnaby's topic is actually listed there immediately after yours).


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moken  Identity Verified
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Actually no - but there does seem to be some sort of time filter Oct 11, 2008

Hi Stéhanie,

Actually that's not exactly how it works, as some "most recent topics" leapfrog others when there's a new post.

There does however seem to be some sort of time filter, since I opened every "Most recent" post that appears on the first 1 1/2 pages of the "Most recent posts" page and all of topics without exception had been posted in October.

Anyway, what does seem to be true is that the latest posts ARE listed in order on each specific Forum page - therefore anybody interested in that particular forum will indeed see your post on the first page.



[Edited at 2008-10-11 09:42]


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Stéphanie Soudais  Identity Verified
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Yes, but Oct 11, 2008

Álvaro Blanch wrote:

Anyway, what does seem to be true is that the latest posts ARE listed in order on each specific Forum page - therefore anybody interested in that particular forum will indeed see your post on the first page.



The problem is that, considering the number of different Forums, I don't have time to check them one after the other to see if new posts have been written.

Álvaro Blanch wrote:
There does however seem to be some sort of time filter, since I opened every "Most recent" post that appears on the first 1 1/2 pages of the "Most recent posts" page and all of topics without exception had been posted in October.



Sure, but not all latest posts written in October are showed. In certain forums, latest posts written recently do not appear in the "most recent posts".

My concern is: what's the point to write a reply in a bit old thread if your post don't appear on the "most recent posts" page, and if almost no one will have the opportunity to read it/will know that someone wrote something new (except those having ticked the track box ?)

Stéphanie


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moken  Identity Verified
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If the threads are tracked... Oct 11, 2008

Stéphanie Soudais wrote:

My concern is: what's the point to write a reply in a bit old thread if your post don't appear on the "most recent posts" page, and if almost no one will have the opportunity to read it/will know that someone wrote something new (except those having ticked the track box ?)

Stéphanie



Hi Stéphanie,

I understand. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to have 2 separate pages, one for "Most recent topics" and another for "Most recent posts".

Hopefully, at least the contributors to that particular thread will have checked the "track" option and will have been notified of the new post. Generally, when I write something new on an old thread, it's in response to something that's already been said there and it's those people in particular that I want to be read by.

In fact, I think another useful idea would be for that 'track' check-box to be automatically checked when you enter a comment. More than once I've posted something and only later realised that I didn't check the box. I wonder how many people that's happened to and how often.

Let's just hope that the site staff pick up on some of these ideas.


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Stéphanie Soudais  Identity Verified
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Agree Oct 11, 2008

Álvaro Blanch wrote:


In fact, I think another useful idea would be for that 'track' check-box to be automatically checked when you enter a comment. More than once I've posted something and only later realised that I didn't check the box. I wonder how many people that's happened to and how often.



It happens to me too often. On the other hand, there are many threads that I follow (just by checking the "most recent posts" page; for those threads I don't want to get email notifications - because I get enough notifications a day).

Álvaro Blanch wrote:
Perhaps the best thing to do would be to have 2 separate pages, one for "Most recent topics" and another for "Most recent posts".



Maybe, or a "click option" to classify threads according to their date of creation or the date of the latest post, etc.

Stéphanie


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moken  Identity Verified
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Good idea too. Oct 11, 2008

Stéphanie Soudais wrote:

Maybe, or a "click option" to classify threads according to their date of creation or the date of the latest post, etc.


This also sounds like a good and hopefully simple solution.


...there are many threads that I follow (just by checking the "most recent posts" page; for those threads I don't want to get email notifications - because I get enough notifications a day).


Then all you'd have to do is un-click the option - easy enough and surely better than not getting notifications you'd be interested in


Álvaro

P.S. Only two of us contributing here so far. Is this called "brainstorming in a tea cup"?


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Christine Andersen  Identity Verified
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It may have something to do with your own settings Oct 13, 2008

You have a filter on your profile where you can select which forums you want to see and which you will filter out.

But I am not sure about this, and have asked staff to explain.
I am watching this space for an answer too


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Stéphanie Soudais  Identity Verified
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No, not my own settings Oct 13, 2008

Dear Christine,

I am not taking of my ProZ homepage, I am talking about the page I get when I click on Community>Forums>Most recent posts.

Stéphanie


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moken  Identity Verified
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Never touched my settings Oct 13, 2008

Hi Christine,

Thanks for trying to help us sort this out.

If it helps at all - I 've never touched my settings and have also noticed some inconsistencies in those listings - which I noted above in case just for the record.



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Andrea Riffo  Identity Verified
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Actually... Oct 13, 2008

... some posts ARE intentionally filtered out. Henry himself confirmed it: http://www.proz.com/forum/kudoz/114428-kudoz_is_not_a_shadow_of_what_it_used_to_be-page2.html#936646

What remains unclear is on WHAT ground this is done (besides the fact that some people dislike them and that staff happens to agree with them, I mean), though I do not doubt that a new rule will be invented in the near future to explain such arbitrary decisions, and applied retroactively, like it's happened at least once before.

Greetings

[Edited at 2008-10-13 12:07]


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Stéphanie Soudais  Identity Verified
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Exactly Oct 13, 2008

ariffo wrote:

... some posts ARE intentionally filtered out. Henry himself confirmed it: http://www.proz.com/forum/kudoz/114428-kudoz_is_not_a_shadow_of_what_it_used_to_be-page2.html#936646

What remains unclear is on WHAT ground this is done


This is exactly what I want to know and why I opened this thread. Bet you I will not get any answer.


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Christine Andersen  Identity Verified
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There is a settings feature on your profile for which forums you see Oct 13, 2008

I don't know what the default is, but there is a feature on your profile that you can set to filter particular forums in and out. Under the Settings tab you will find lots of things you can tweak about... including a fairly new feature: 'Select forums to be listed on the homepage'

I think the default is selected, possibly except for non-English forums - I have just checked mine and removed a couple of new forums I am sure I did not choose!
I have long ago removed Interpreting and Artificial Languages, for instance - sorry, guys, but life is just too short!

You can also set how many you see (10-20-30) somewhere on your profile.

So up to a point, you can decide for yourself what is of general interest.
Now I had better go and let my husband feel he is of general interest for an hour or so, poor man! It seems there's no football on TV...


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Stéphanie Soudais  Identity Verified
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Not the homepage Oct 14, 2008

Christine Andersen wrote:

I don't know what the default is, but there is a feature on your profile that you can set to filter particular forums in and out. Under the Settings tab you will find lots of things you can tweak about... including a fairly new feature: 'Select forums to be listed on the homepage'



I have already precised that I am not talking about my homepage ( I never visit my homepage). I might not ne like other prozians, but I prefer not getting too many email notifications and I check directly new threads/posts by clicking on Community>Forums>Most Recent Posts. Problem is that not all most recent posts are showed.

Stéphanie


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Lucia Leszinsky
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Selection of posts in the "Most Recent Posts" section is managed semi-automatically Oct 15, 2008

Hi All!

Sorry for the delay in our reply. As Jared told you in http://www.proz.com/post/890242#890242 , The "Most Recent Posts" section will show the list of the latest and newest posts made in the forums.

However, note that the selection of posts is managed in a semi-automated fashion. There is a featured status set automatically for most new threads (depending on the forum) that permits them to appear on the home page and in the "Most Recent Posts" section. But, when a staff member comes across a thread that, for example, is more of a personal support request than a topic for discussion, or a post that has been proposed by a site user/member with any active warnings or blocks, he or she may unset the featured status. Also, topics which are locked may cease to be featured in the "Most Recent Posts" section.

Hope this explains...

Kind regards,

Lucia


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