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Andrea Re  Identity Verified
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Hi,

after reading Kostantin's very convincing article I decided to try thunderbird as my default program for reading mail.
I had some problems with my signature, but managed to sort them out (outlook has the edge here). However what I can't solve is what to do with some attachments. I am a subscriber of Langit (an italian list for translators) and every day I get a "digest" with all the e-mails that have been sent which I duly received at the appropriate time. All the e-mails appear as attachemnts (and that's fine), but when I click on one, the mother of all messages (so to speak) opens again with all the attachments.
I don't know if I managed to express myself at all.... what I mean is that I can't open the e-mail/attachments at all.
I tried the mozilla forum, but wasn't of much help.

On a similar subject... I was mulling over all these security issues that have been discussed; assuming that, say, Internet Explorer is inherently unsafe and that Mozilla Firefox is so much better, then my question is " how can Mozilla be free?". Starting from the premise that there isn't such a thing as a free lunch, why are these people offering a better product for free? There MUST be a catch somewhere. How are these people, the software manufacturer, making money?

Andrea


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xxxMarc P  Identity Verified
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Mozilla thunderbird Jul 8, 2005

Andrea Re wrote:

Starting from the premise that there isn't such a thing as a free lunch


Proz.com is also free (Platinum is optional).



Marc


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Andrea Re  Identity Verified
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Mega OT Jul 8, 2005

MarcPrior wrote:

Andrea Re wrote:

Starting from the premise that there isn't such a thing as a free lunch


Proz.com is also free (Platinum is optional).



Marc


True, but I can see how Proz intends to make money. At Mozilla they ask you if you want to make a donation!?!?!?!?
As far as I can see there is nothing to be bought.

A.


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Elena Bellucci
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Service? Jul 8, 2005

Andrea Re wrote:



On a similar subject... I was mulling over all these security issues that have been discussed; assuming that, say, Internet Explorer is inherently unsafe and that Mozilla Firefox is so much better, then my question is " how can Mozilla be free?".



because Stallman could not get his printer working ^__^;

Ok, that's a GNU GPL licence legend but a nice explnation on free software (in Italian) is here:

http://www.softwarelibero.it/documentazione/softwarelibero.shtml



Starting from the premise that there isn't such a thing as a free lunch, why are these people offering a better product for free? There MUST be a catch somewhere. How are these people, the software manufacturer, making money?

Andrea


No lunch is free but there may be someone wishing to buy you one. ^__^

Back to serious talk, many opensource developers offer paid assistance or customisation services or they are somewhat connected to universities (as the debian communinty) or research groups funded by software/hardware manufacturers.


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Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL  Identity Verified
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what kind of file is the attachment? Extension? Jul 8, 2005

And have you tried to save the attachment somewhere?

Giovanni (thunderbird user)

[Edited at 2005-07-08 10:34]


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Florence B  Identity Verified
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Have you ticked... Jul 8, 2005

View (3rd menu column) / Display attachments inline?

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Andrea Re  Identity Verified
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Indeed I have..... Jul 8, 2005

Oddie wrote:

View (3rd menu column) / Display attachments inline?


.... ticked and unticked the display thingy....., but no difference. i have a list of e-mails I can see, but not read:(


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slight improvement Jul 8, 2005

I have just realized that I actually "see" the attachments, but they are in a wee window just above the attachments themselves and it is a whopping 1 micron thick (unlike me:)

A.


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Jack Doughty  Identity Verified
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Increase size of message window Jul 8, 2005

You should be able to increase the size of the message window to more than "micron-thick" by placing the mouse pointer on the bar above it, when it will turn into a two-headed arrow, and dragging the bar upwards.

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Andrea Re  Identity Verified
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'fraid not Jul 8, 2005

Jack Doughty wrote:

You should be able to increase the size of the message window to more than "micron-thick" by placing the mouse pointer on the bar above it, when it will turn into a two-headed arrow, and dragging the bar upwards.


I had tried that, but nae joy. The pointer does become two-headed, but only at the top of the window and it doesn't let me change the size.

Andrea (micron-thick)


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Jeremy Smith  Identity Verified
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I use Mozilla Thunderbird Jul 8, 2005

...but I've never come across this problem. If you send me one of these e-mail digests you get, I'll have a look and see if if I get the same problem and/or look for a solution. info@idiomatika.co.uk

UPDATE: Received the email. I'm just in the middle of a job right now, so I'll take a look later on this afternoon.

[Edited at 2005-07-08 13:23]


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LuciaC
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Attachments? Jul 8, 2005

I use Thunderbird and I receive both Langit and biblit as a digest. I don't get any attachments. With Langit I just receive one long email which includes all the messages. Biblit's digests are shorter (up to 25 messages) and come 3-4 times a day.

Have you checked if it's got to do with Txt/Html format? I also never encountered a problem (although I haven't found out yet how to hide a recepients' list), so I am pretty sure it must have something to do with your options. Don't get discouraged and keep trying. Otherwise try downloading it again.

Ciao
Lucia


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LuciaC
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Settings Jul 8, 2005

Since you have three options for digest, maybe you could try a different setting to see if the problem persists.

http://list.cineca.it/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=langit&A=1

Also, sorry if I didn't understand correctly, can you open other attachments, like text documents? Does the problem only concern mailing lists?

L.

ps. The open source idea is above all a philosophy. A similar idea is Wikipedia, which has encountered a lot of scepticism but is turning into an invaluable tool. It is made by volunteers and is free.

[Edited at 2005-07-08 14:53]

[Edited at 2005-07-09 12:20]


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Charlotte Blank  Identity Verified
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Mozilla Store Jul 8, 2005

Andrea Re wrote:
As far as I can see there is nothing to be bought.
A.


Yes, you can buy things from the Mozilla Store but at the moment it "has been closed for renovations. We'll reopen soon with cool new products, enhanced customer service, and global delivery options. Stay tuned!"
I did not try it yet but most probably the surplus goes to the Mozilla foundation which "provides financial support to the Mozilla open-source software project".

Just click on "Store".

Charlotte


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Tsu Dho Nimh
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It's Software Libre, that's why Jul 8, 2005

Andrea Re wrote:

Starting from the premise that there isn't such a thing as a free lunch, why are these people offering a better product for free? There MUST be a catch somewhere. How are these people, the software manufacturer, making money?

Andrea


It's quite simple ... it's "FOSS" (Free and Open Source) software.

There is NO manufacturer, in the traditional sense, with payroll and marketing and distribution costs. The programmers are working for various reasons - some are paid by corporations to improve various FOSS priojects, some volunteer their skills - but programmers HAVE to program the way writers HAVE to write - it's more of a hobby and competitive sport for them as it is a job.

The way it works, from one of the early creators:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/

And the economics and management concepts of it:
http://www.benkler.org/CoasesPenguin.html


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