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Basis for leaving geopolitical terms in Spanish
Thread poster: Debora Lustgarten
Debora Lustgarten
Canada
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Sep 27, 2006

A customer complained that "Distrito Federal" or D.F. should never be translated. I disagree, since generally we translate geopolitical terms like province, municipality and such, but need a supporting rule or indication in a Style Guide or similar.
Any ideas?

Debora Lustgarten


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George Rabel  Identity Verified
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This is a good example Sep 27, 2006

If DC is translated into Spanish, why shouldn´t DF be translated into English?

DC Chamber of Commerce: Visiting Washington, DCPara obtener información en español sobre el Centro de Información para Visitantes del Distrito de Columbia, haga click aquí. ...
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Washington DC - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre - [ Translate this page ]Washington, DC es la ciudad capital de los Estados Unidos de América y constituye por sí misma el Distrito de Columbia (DC). ...
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Claudia Iglesias  Identity Verified
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Not "never", a veces sí, a veces no Sep 27, 2006

Hola Debora

Yo diría que en "México, D.F." o en "Santiago, R.M." (Región metropolitana), esos nombres no se traducen, pero en las frases "México queda en el distrito federal del país" o "Santiago está en la región metropolitana de Chile" sí se traducen.
El problema es que no tengo los argumentos para demostrar que es así.

Ojalá alguien pueda ayudar más (y ojalá me dé la razón).

Edito porque me dí cuenta de qu había leído mal la afirmación del cliente de Debora.

Claudia

[Editado a las 2006-09-27 20:32]


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Henry Hinds  Identity Verified
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Context Sep 27, 2006

I will translate or not translate depending on the context. If it is in a text, "Distrito Federal" will become "Federal District", but in an address (almost never written out) it would remain as is. I always keep "D.F." the same.

Now I don't know what other examples you might have, but for me it is always a question of context.

And of course there is no translation used for the names of any cities or states in Mexico, but in a text you would say "State of...", "Municipality of...", etc.

That's no style manual (if any exists but I doubt it), that's merely my own practice.

Y sí, Claudia, te doy la razón...

[Editado a las 2006-09-27 18:09]


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Juan Jacob  Identity Verified
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Interesante. Sep 27, 2006

Y de acuerdo con Claudia, y también sin bases "oficiales".
Es un caso difícil... hace poco se preguntó acá cuál es el nombre oficial de la capital de México, y todos nos pusimos a pensar, incluso yo, después de vivir acá 32 años. Finalmente, el nombre oficial de la capital de México es "Distrito Federal", ni siquiera "México, Distrito Federal" ni, claro, "Ciudad de México", aunque éstos se usen mucho.
Por corazonada, no se traduce.
Suerte.


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GoodWords  Identity Verified
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What Henry said, + 1 Sep 27, 2006

In addition, there are some texts and contexts when you can tell that the author is using DF as a synonym for Mexico City (the equivalence/non-equivalence of these two terms is quite complex); in the cases where I'm quite sure of the author's intent, I have no problem putting "Mexico City" in the English version.

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Debora Lustgarten
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¡Gracias por su ayuda y opiniones! Sep 28, 2006

Analicé todas sus opiniones y quedo de acuerdo en que se debería traducir en la mayoría de los casos, salvo cuando forma parte de una dirección postal, como las que aparecen en membretes de correspondencia...
También me parece muy interesante la situación de México respecto al nombre de la ciudad capital.
De nuevo, gracias.
Debora L.


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