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Éric Cléach  Identity Verified
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Aug 14, 2007

Hi,

I'm thinking about buying DNS9 Preferred for French, but after reading many threads in this forum, a few things remain unclear.

1) Does DNS9 work in any standard Windows program? Basically, does it replace the keyboard for all text inputs?

2) Any experience with IBM Translation Manager and Alchemy Catalyst? (I use both applications quite often)

3) I am still hesitating between DNS9 Preferred + a separate Jawbone Bluetooth mic OR DNS9 Preferred Wireless (includes Plantronics CS60 USB headset). More or less the same price. Any advice appreciated.

4) Can you use DNS9 Preferred with any Bluetooth/wireless headset? (It seems to be the case, but on Nuance website, it says that only the Professional Edition offers "Support for Cordless or Array Microphones" -- see http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/matrix/professional/)

Thanks for helping!

Eric


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As far as I know... Aug 14, 2007

I use DNS8 under WinXP and I "only" have 1Gb RAM. Here are my replies to your questions:

1) Yes, it does, most of the time. I write my e-mail with it, I use it with Trados/SDLX, including TagEditor, I use it in Word and a bunch of other programs. I can't name one editing program with which it didn't work - but that's my personal experience.

2) It works with IBM Translation Manager - I don't have Catalyst so I can't tell, but it should work.

3) I don't have this experience, so no comment here.

4) In my opinion, they are just trying to "bribe" you into getting the Pro version. If you use Dragon for translation work, the Preferred version is all you need. The version you use has normally nothing to do with your hardware. If your computer can handle a given headset, Dragon should be able to handle it as well, since the functionality of the headset depends on your hardware capabilities and not on your software. I have two of Nuance's products, and their marketing is extremely aggressive, while the support is shobby at best. Good thing Dragon works fine and is not prone to cause trouble. If I had to deal with Nuance's tech support, I'd go nuts and ask for a refund.

In any case, let's wait for more opinions - I think everything will be much clearer for you once you can combine different opinions and advice.

All the best!


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Richard Walker
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My experience Aug 14, 2007

>>1) Does DNS9 work in any standard Windows program? Basically, does it replace the keyboard for all text inputs?

That is my experience. I can't recall a program where it did not at a very minimum act like a keyboard.

>>2) Any experience with IBM Translation Manager and Alchemy Catalyst? (I use both applications quite often)

No experience at all, but I imagine you wil get keyboard emulation and very little beyond, which is basically what I get in TagEditor. Input is generally acceptable, though small amenities like automatic capitalization at the beginning of a line may not be there, and correction can sometimes be flakey. Still, it's better than typing.

>>3) I am still hesitating between DNS9 Preferred + a separate Jawbone Bluetooth mic OR DNS9 Preferred Wireless (includes Plantronics CS60 USB headset). More or less the same price. Any advice appreciated.

As you've no doubt seen, I'm partisan on this one. I've never used the CS60, but I've read people who give it very good marks. Personally? I hate wires and still think my Jawbone is the best thing that ever happened to voice recognition.

>>4) Can you use DNS9 Preferred with any Bluetooth/wireless headset?

Preferred has support for Bluetooth. I believe "Cordless or Array Microphones" refers to something a bit more esoteric. Among Bluetooth mics, it's the quality of the mic that determines whether it is usable, and most of those designed for phones will probably not be acceptable.

The only other advice I can give you is that if you have any fantasies about creating voice commands to drive your software you should seriously consider the Professional version. (Yes, there is Vocola as an add-on, but...). I find that the added convenience of being able to work completely hands-free and being able to program unlimited macros for any application more than makes up for the premium. On the other hand, if that isn't important to you, save your money.


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Éric Cléach  Identity Verified
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Thanks! Aug 16, 2007

Thanks for your advice.

I just ordered DNS9 Preferred (I could have considered the Professional version, but the price difference is so huge).

I will order the Jawbone very soon... Not easy to find here in France, though (only 2 online stores are selling this product).

Eric


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Éric Cléach  Identity Verified
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Jawbone received - Thanks for the tip! Aug 24, 2007

Hi,

Richard, thanks again for "promoting" the Jawbone. Though I still haven't received DNS, I now have the Jawbone and it seems to be a very nice product for Skype too!

Eric


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Noe Tessmann  Identity Verified
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Where to buy Sep 5, 2007

Hello Eric,

I was following the thread, because I am also looking for a suitable microphone. But I cannot find a distributor for Aliph Jawbone in Europe. Expansys had it on the list, but it seems to be gone.

Thanks in advance

Noe


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Éric Cléach  Identity Verified
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Colette concept-store Sep 5, 2007

Noe Tessmann wrote:

Hello Eric,

I was following the thread, because I am also looking for a suitable microphone. But I cannot find a distributor for Aliph Jawbone in Europe. Expansys had it on the list, but it seems to be gone.

Thanks in advance

Noe


Hi Noe,

I bought mine from Colette. You can order their products online at www.colette.fr

Eric


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Noe Tessmann  Identity Verified
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thanks Sep 14, 2007

Hello Eric,

thanks for your hint. For the moment I am in Berlin, but I think I´ll go for it in October when I am in Paris.

Some critics say it´s a "cheap finish", nothing is perfect.


All the best

Noe


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Noe Tessmann  Identity Verified
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Jawbone compatible with PC? Oct 17, 2007

Hello,

it's once again me. I went to colette, by the way an awful shop. Loud, strange and not really friendly. I bought the thing for 100 €, then I found that the charger has an UK plug. It's possible to charge via the USB port of my PC.

No I read in the support page:

7. Is the Jawbone compatible with my PC or MAC?

Right now, we're not supporting PC or MAC Bluetooth compatibility due to the large variability in the performance of computer Bluetooth systems.

How to pair it with my Laptop?

How did you get it to work?

TIA

Noe


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Éric Cléach  Identity Verified
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Compatibility Oct 17, 2007

Noe Tessmann wrote:

No I read in the support page:

7. Is the Jawbone compatible with my PC or MAC?

Right now, we're not supporting PC or MAC Bluetooth compatibility due to the large variability in the performance of computer Bluetooth systems.


Well, I managed to make it work on 2 PCs with two different Bluetooth sticks and different drivers.

Just follow the instructions on p. 9 of the manual. Simply replace "mobile phone" by "PC".


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Richard Walker
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Connecting Oct 17, 2007

Eric is right. Jawbone works just fine with PCs in spite of the weasel wording in the manual. I am using it to dictate this. Pair it just like you would any other BlueTooth device.

Be aware that to connect on a day-to-day basis you first turn your mic on, which creates a temporary connection to the PC that will be dropped in about 1 minute unless you disconnect it earlier. You will then need to go into the BlueTooth settings on the PC and have the PC connect to the mic. It's a pain, but you should only have to do it once or twice a day.

Other than that, it's very straightforward.


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Noe Tessmann  Identity Verified
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Thank you for your patience Oct 17, 2007

Hello Eric, hello Richard,

thank you once again for your kindness, but I am too stupid. Finally I managed to get the headset recognised (entering the key 0000).

So I have one audio device (main key activated) in the bluetooth settings, but there are no services (should there be one?).

Should the headset also appear in the control setting "sounds and audio devices" as microphone beside the internal one?

Sorry for asking too many question, but I never installed any bluetooth device except a mouse.

Kind regards

Noe


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Richard Walker
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Next Steps Oct 17, 2007

Noe Tessmann wrote:

Should the headset also appear in the control setting "sounds and audio devices" as microphone beside the internal one?



Once you connect, you should see the mic in the audio control panel.

Here are the steps for connecting using the Toshiba BlueTooth manager on my computer. Other BlueTooth implementations may be slightly different:

1. Open BlueTooth manager on PC.

2. Turn on Jawbone (press and hold side button until it responds).

3. If your BlueTooth manager shows a connection to Jawbone, disconnect.

4. Right click Jawbone icon in BlueTooth manager and choose "Connect."

5. PC calls Jawbone. Jawbone makes ring tone.

6. Press side button on Jawbone to "answer the call."

(It's not as bad as it sounds. Honest.)

At that point you should see a BlueTooth mic among your audio devices and Dragon should allow you to create a new BlueTooth profile.

The BlueTooth manager may also show you services at that point. Toshiba doesn't, but if you right click the icon and choose details, it does note that the Jawbone is a headset service, even when disconnected.


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Noe Tessmann  Identity Verified
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Pairing failed Oct 18, 2007

Hello once again me,

I followed the Manual instruction, pressed the noise reduction button, waited for two minutes, but the Pairing always fails (three beeps and then turn off).

Searching from the PC works, if finds Jawbone (turned on) and I can enter the pass key (0000). But the headset doesn't do anything (doesn't capture my voice).

I have to consider returning the thing, maybe it's not for my Computer (Macbook Pro running with Windows XP)

There are not a lot of people who tried to use Jawbone on a PC so no help from user groups.

Regards

Noe


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Richard Walker
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See instructions above Oct 18, 2007

Noe Tessmann wrote:

I followed the Manual instruction, pressed the noise reduction button, waited for two minutes, but the Pairing always fails (three beeps and then turn off).

Searching from the PC works, if finds Jawbone (turned on) and I can enter the pass key (0000). But the headset doesn't do anything (doesn't capture my voice).



Pairing tells two devices it's OK to talk to each other. You should only have to do that once.

But, and this is the third time I've told you this, you have to initiate the connection manually FROM THE PC every session (ie, every time you restart the computer or mic).


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