Article: Critique of translation in Indonesia
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This topic is for discussion of the ProZ.com translation article "Critics against the translation in Indonesia".

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Hikmat  Identity Verified
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Interesting Reading, the Challange is How to Make the Whole Industry Aware Feb 11, 2007

Pak Alfons put a great length of details on how translations quality may affect the way society see the abundant materials available today which are taken from outside sources.
The real challenge is how to make the whole industry aware the importance of good translations. Nowadays, quality and publisher's budget for translation work are on different directions. Publisher willing to take a trial and error, an internal method of selecting translators for the sake of finding good and "cheap" translations, instead of selecting qualified translators.
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Kim Metzger  Identity Verified
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This article needs some serious editing Feb 11, 2007

I would recommend having this article edited, starting with the title: "Critics against the translation in Indonesia", which makes no sense. When the noun "translation" is used in an abstract sense, it takes no article. We're not talking about a specific translation but translation in general. But if we changed the title to "Critics against translation in Indonesia" the meaning is that there are critics who believe translation should not be performed in Indonesia.

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"Critics against translation in Indonesia" is more appropriate Feb 21, 2007

Kim Metzger wrote:

I would recommend having this article edited, starting with the title: "Critics against the translation in Indonesia", which makes no sense. When the noun "translation" is used in an abstract sense, it takes no article. We're not talking about a specific translation but translation in general. But if we changed the title to "Critics against translation in Indonesia" the meaning is that there are critics who believe translation should not be performed in Indonesia.


Dear Mr. Kim Metzger,

Thank you for reviewing my translation. I agree that the word "the" should be removed to get the full meaning of "Kritik Terjemahan di Indonesia".

However, it is also important to know that the translation the writer is talking about in this article is from English into Indonesian.

Kind regards,

Iwan
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ksbtranslation  Identity Verified
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Kita hanya bisa pasrah Feb 21, 2007

Yth. Bpk Hikmat Gumilar

Saya setuju sekali Pak. Namun kalau sudah berbicara mengenai masalah uang, rasanya sulit untuk menyamakan persepsi penerbit dengan kita. Kini pembaca hanya bisa pasrah mendapatkan karya terjemahan yang menyesatkan karena memang karya itulah yang beredar di pasaran.

Apabila Bapak pernah membaca novel karya terjemahan yang menghebohkan belum lama ini dimana para fansnya harus antri tengah malam untuk menjadi pembaca pertama, Bapak akan melihat betapa mengkhawatirkan karya terjemahan kita.

Hormat saya,
Iwan
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Albert Stufkens  Identity Verified
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Title Jun 14, 2007

I would have written the title thus:
"A Translation into Indonesian Criticized"

ksbtranslation wrote:

Kim Metzger wrote:

I would recommend having this article edited, starting with the title: "Critics against the translation in Indonesia", which makes no sense. When the noun "translation" is used in an abstract sense, it takes no article. We're not talking about a specific translation but translation in general. But if we changed the title to "Critics against translation in Indonesia" the meaning is that there are critics who believe translation should not be performed in Indonesia.


Dear Mr. Kim Metzger,

Thank you for reviewing my translation. I agree that the word "the" should be removed to get the full meaning of "Kritik Terjemahan di Indonesia".

However, it is also important to know that the translation the writer is talking about in this article is from English into Indonesian.

Kind regards,

Iwan
Translator


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Hipyan Nopri  Identity Verified
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The Title Should Be Revised Jul 15, 2007

Kim Metzger wrote:
I would recommend having this article edited, starting with the title: "Critics against the translation in Indonesia", which makes no sense. When the noun "translation" is used in an abstract sense, it takes no article. We're not talking about a specific translation but translation in general. But if we changed the title to "Critics against translation in Indonesia" the meaning is that there are critics who believe translation should not be performed in Indonesia.


I couldn't agree more with your analysis, Kim. 'Critics' are people who criticize something, while, in fact, its intended referent is 'criticism.' (See the quotation below.)

ksbtranslation wrote:

I agree that the word "the" should be removed to get the full meaning of "Kritik Terjemahan di Indonesia".


Thus, the title should be revised to 'Criticisms of Translation in Indonesia.'

Best Regards

Hipyan

[Edited at 2007-07-15 14:01]


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Maria Karra  Identity Verified
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revised Jul 15, 2007

Hipyan Nopri wrote:

I couldn't agree more with your analysis, Kim. 'Critics' are people who criticize something, while, in fact, its intended referent is 'criticism.' (See the quotation below.)


The title was revised a while back, so I don't see why we are still talking about it.
I have updated the title of this thread to avoid confusion. (Unfortunately I can't edit the posting that includes the old title of the article, which links to the knowledgebase.)
Maria



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